Enjoy this episode with renowned meditation teacher, author, and creator of Mindfulness-Based Stress Reduction (MBSR), Jon Kabat-Zinn. This spacious and personal conversation is full of insights on a wide range of topics, including: what drew him to meditation; his development of and vision for Mindfulness-Based Stress Reduction (MBSR); the mystery of the line between the inside and outside of any system; adapting Buddhist practices for Western audiences; how mindfulness has been taken up in society, and science as a main driver; moving from "me" to "we"; the challenges of repeatability in scientific studies of meditation; weaving together art and science; and how 50+ years of meditation has changed him. Full show notes and resources