I interview Jared Ayers, head pastor at First Presbyterian Church in North Palm Beach, and author of You Can Trust a God with Scars: Faith (and Doubt) for the Searching Soul. We discuss the profound impact of shared meals, the significance of the incarnation in understanding human suffering, and the importance of honesty within Christian communities. We explore themes of hope, the illusion of control, the reality of sin, and the necessity of dignity in relationships. Ayers also emphasizes the need for vulnerability and authenticity in faith, encouraging listeners to embrace their struggles and foster inclusive communities. Takeaways Meals are a reflection of our shared stories. The incarnation shows God's deep understanding of human suffering. Hope comes from knowing we are not alone in our pain. Navigating loss requires community support and understanding. We often live under the illusion of control in our lives. Christianity addresses the reality of sin and human condition. Honesty about our struggles fosters a healthier community. Dignifying others is essential for building inclusive spaces. Wrestling with faith and doubt is a normal part of life. Living an integrated life means embracing all aspects of our experiences. Chapters 00:00 Introduction and Background of Jared Ayers 02:36 The Significance of Meals and Shared Experiences 05:28 The Incarnation and Its Implications 11:24 Understanding Suffering Through the Life of Jesus 17:16 Finding Hope in Shared Pain 23:15 Navigating Life's Challenges with Receptivity 24:14 Letting Go of Control 26:00 Understanding Sin and Its Impact 28:57 The Importance of Honesty in Faith 32:06 The Power of Grace in Community 34:53 Leading with Vulnerability 37:42 Dignifying Others in a Divided World 40:49 Wrestling with Faith and Doubt 45:31 Living an Integrated Life