Jon and the Futurenauts get into some serious upcycling adventures with the phenomenal Moose-inspired Kresse, self-declared ‘waste addict, co-founder of fire-hose-to-designer-luxury-goods brand ‘Elvis & Kresse’ and now also a regenerative farmer. In the process we learn about backward design, money as lubricant, and the earthy joys of ‘humanure’. And… is Mark coming round to Ed’s poetry? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices