Deliberately killing the environment at an ecosystem level should really be a crime against humanity, as well as against nature. And in the future it might well be, and that will be thanks to leaders like Jojo who heads up ‘Stop Ecocide International’ and is pioneering a revolution in the law internationally. Join us for the usual uplifting and inspiring conversation as we explore the legal origins of ecocide and where next. Also includes the normal irresponsible humour and hijinks. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices