Fifteen years in, it can still feel like “we’re just getting started.”Michelle Zatlyn, co-founder of Cloudflare, returns to Grit with Joubin Mirzadegan to share how Cloudflare secures the internet for millions, with a vision built to last generations.She also shares why staying close to reality and to customers becomes harder as success compounds, and how Cloudflare is helping content creators regain control in an AI driven internet. Guest: Michelle Zatlyn, co-founder and President of Cloudflare Connect with Michelle Zatlyn<ul><li><a href="https://x.com/zatlyn">X</a></li><li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/michellezatlyn/">LinkedIn</a></li></ul>​Connect with Joubin<ul><li><a href="https://x.com/Joubinmir">X</a></li><li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/joubin-mirzadegan-66186854/">LinkedIn</a></li></ul>Email: <a href="mailto:grit@kleinerperkins.com">grit@kleinerperkins.com</a> <a href="https://www.kleinerperkins.com/">​Learn more about Kleiner Perkins</a>

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 &lt;p&gt;Fifteen years in, it can still feel like “we’re just getting started.”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Michelle Zatlyn&lt;/strong&gt;, co-founder of Cloudflare, returns to Grit with Joubin Mirzadegan to share how Cloudflare secures the internet for millions, with a vision built to last generations.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;She also shares why staying close to reality and to customers becomes harder as success compounds, and how Cloudflare is helping content creators regain control in an AI driven internet.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Guest: &lt;/strong&gt;Michelle Zatlyn, co-founder and President of Cloudflare&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Connect with Michelle Zatlyn&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://x.com/zatlyn"&gt;X&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/michellezatlyn/"&gt;LinkedIn&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;​&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Connect with Joubin&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://x.com/Joubinmir"&gt;X&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/joubin-mirzadegan-66186854/"&gt;LinkedIn&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;Email: &lt;a href="mailto:grit@kleinerperkins.com"&gt;grit@kleinerperkins.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.kleinerperkins.com/"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;​Learn more about Kleiner Perkins&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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Building Cloudflare for the Next 50 Years | Co-founder Cloudfare Michelle Zatlyn 

Screens have pulled families apart. Brynn Putnam set out to bring them back together with Board, the world’s ‘first face-to-face game console.’On Grit, she tells Joubin Mirzadegan how every venture she’s built, including Mirror, started as a personal need, and how her true edge is the ability to strip an idea down to what actually matters.Guest: Brynn Putnam, founder and CEO of BoardConnect with Brynn Putnam<ul><li><a href="https://x.com/BrynnPutnam">X</a></li><li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/brynnputnam/">LinkedIn</a></li></ul> Connect with Joubin<ul><li><a href="https://x.com/Joubinmir">X</a></li><li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/joubin-mirzadegan-66186854/">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:grit@kleinerperkins.com">grit@kleinerperkins.com</a></li></ul> <a href="https://www.kleinerperkins.com/">​Learn more about Kleiner Perkins</a>

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 &lt;p&gt;Screens have pulled families apart. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Brynn Putnam set out to bring them back together with Board, the world’s ‘first face-to-face game console.’&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;On Grit, she tells Joubin Mirzadegan how every venture she’s built, including Mirror, started as a personal need, and how her true edge is the ability to strip an idea down to what actually matters.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Guest: &lt;/strong&gt;Brynn Putnam, founder and CEO of Board&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Connect with Brynn Putnam&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://x.com/BrynnPutnam"&gt;X&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/brynnputnam/"&gt;LinkedIn&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Connect with Joubin&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://x.com/Joubinmir"&gt;X&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/joubin-mirzadegan-66186854/"&gt;LinkedIn&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Email: &lt;a href="mailto:grit@kleinerperkins.com"&gt;grit@kleinerperkins.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.kleinerperkins.com/"&gt;​Learn more about Kleiner Perkins&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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She Sold Her Startup for $500 Million, Here’s Her Next Idea

How do companies like Salesforce and Dell scale intelligence across every cloud?Aidan Gomez, co-founder and CEO of Cohere, explains how they’re building AI that works across all enterprise systems and deploys anywhere, giving companies true flexibility and security.He joins Joubin Mirzadegan for a wide-ranging conversation on why synthetic data went from dismissed to indispensable, and how the race among AI labs is really unfolding.Guest: Aidan Gomez, co-founder and CEO of CohereConnect with Aidan: <ul><li><a href="https://x.com/aidangomez">X</a></li><li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/aidangomez">LinkedIn</a></li></ul>Connect with Joubin: <ul><li><a href="https://x.com/Joubinmir">X</a></li><li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/joubin-mirzadegan-66186854/">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:grit@kleinerperkins.com">grit@kleinerperkins.com</a></li></ul> <a href="https://www.kleinerperkins.com/">Learn more about Kleiner Perkins</a>

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 &lt;p&gt;How do companies like Salesforce and Dell scale intelligence across every cloud?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Aidan Gomez, co-founder and CEO of Cohere, explains how they’re building AI that works across all enterprise systems and deploys anywhere, giving companies true flexibility and security.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;He joins Joubin Mirzadegan for a wide-ranging conversation on why synthetic data went from dismissed to indispensable, and how the race among AI labs is really unfolding.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Guest: &lt;/strong&gt;Aidan&lt;strong&gt; &lt;/strong&gt;Gomez, co-founder and CEO of Cohere&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Connect with Aidan: &lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://x.com/aidangomez"&gt;X&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/aidangomez"&gt;LinkedIn&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;Connect with Joubin: &lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://x.com/Joubinmir"&gt;X&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/joubin-mirzadegan-66186854/"&gt;LinkedIn&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Email: &lt;a href="mailto:grit@kleinerperkins.com"&gt;grit@kleinerperkins.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.kleinerperkins.com/"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Learn more about Kleiner Perkins&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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Synthetic Data and the Future of AI | Cohere CEO Aidan Gomez

The hardest company to build is the one you start after you’ve already succeeded. After scaling Yext into a platform powering millions of businesses, Howard Lerman chose to start over with Roam, the “Office of the Future,” where humans and AI work side by side from anywhere. On Grit, he joins Joubin Mirzadegan to talk about the solitude of leadership and what happens when you stop building for Wall Street.Guest: Howard Lerman, co-founder and former CEO of Yext, and founder and CEO of Roam ​Connect with Howard Lerman<ul><li><a href="https://x.com/howard">X</a></li><li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/howardlerman/">LinkedIn</a></li></ul> Connect with Joubin<ul><li><a href="https://x.com/Joubinmir">X</a></li><li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/joubin-mirzadegan-66186854/">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:grit@kleinerperkins.com">grit@kleinerperkins.com</a></li></ul>​<a href="https://www.kleinerperkins.com/">Learn more about Kleiner Perkins</a>

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 &lt;p&gt;The hardest company to build is the one you start after you’ve already succeeded.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;After scaling Yext into a platform powering millions of businesses, &lt;strong&gt;Howard Lerman&lt;/strong&gt; chose to start over with Roam, the “Office of the Future,” where humans and AI work side by side from anywhere.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;On &lt;em&gt;Grit&lt;/em&gt;, he joins Joubin Mirzadegan to talk about the solitude of leadership and what happens when you stop building for Wall Street.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Guest: &lt;/strong&gt;Howard Lerman, co-founder and former CEO of Yext, and founder and CEO of Roam&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;strong&gt;​Connect with Howard Lerman&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://x.com/howard"&gt;X&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/howardlerman/"&gt;LinkedIn&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Connect with Joubin&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://x.com/Joubinmir"&gt;X&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/joubin-mirzadegan-66186854/"&gt;LinkedIn&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Email: &lt;a href="mailto:grit@kleinerperkins.com"&gt;grit@kleinerperkins.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;​&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.kleinerperkins.com/"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Learn more about Kleiner Perkins&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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From Yext to Roam: Howard Lerman’s Second Act

The hardest part of transformation is knowing what to let go of.Dan O’Connell, now leading Front as CEO and formerly on the board at Dialpad, joins Joubin Mirzadegan to explore the delicate balance between legacy and innovation as he leads a decade old company through the AI revolution.He also reflects on why courage and control can coexist in leadership, and what it means to “make decisions that give you energy.”Guest: Dan O’Connell, CEO of Front​Connect with Dan O’Connell<ul><li><a href="https://x.com/dialdoc">X</a></li><li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/droconnell/">LinkedIn</a></li></ul>​Connect with Joubin<ul><li><a href="https://x.com/Joubinmir">X</a></li><li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/joubin-mirzadegan-66186854/">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Email: <a href="mailto:grit@kleinerperkins.com">grit@kleinerperkins.com</a></li></ul>​<a href="https://www.kleinerperkins.com/">Learn more about Kleiner Perkins</a>

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 &lt;p&gt;The hardest part of transformation is knowing what to let go of.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Dan O’Connell&lt;/strong&gt;, now leading &lt;strong&gt;Front&lt;/strong&gt; as CEO and formerly on the board at Dialpad, joins Joubin Mirzadegan to explore the delicate balance between legacy and innovation as he leads a decade old company through the AI revolution.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;He also reflects on why courage and control can coexist in leadership, and what it means to “make decisions that give you energy.”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Guest: &lt;/strong&gt;Dan O’Connell, CEO of Front&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;​&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Connect with Dan O’Connell&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://x.com/dialdoc"&gt;X&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/droconnell/"&gt;LinkedIn&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;​&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Connect with Joubin&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://x.com/Joubinmir"&gt;X&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/joubin-mirzadegan-66186854/"&gt;LinkedIn&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Email: &lt;a href="mailto:grit@kleinerperkins.com"&gt;grit@kleinerperkins.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;​&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.kleinerperkins.com/"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Learn more about Kleiner Perkins&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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Rebuilding Front for the AI Era | CEO Dan O’Connell

Grit explores what it takes to create, build, and scale world-class organizations. It features weekly episodes highlighting the leaders who are pushing their companies to make a difference. This series is hosted by Joubin Mirzadegan, go to market operating partner at Kleiner Perkins, a venture capital firm investing in history-making founders.

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