INVESTOLOGY: re-think investment management
INVESTOLOGY: re-think investment management

INVESTOLOGY: re-think investment management

George Aliferis, CAIA

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Conversations that help you think about critical topics and principles of investment management. Each episode explores the technology, mythology, psychology, and narratology of investment management through interviews with an eclectic mix of guests: acclaimed authors, startup founders, thought leaders, and industry pioneers. Hosted by George Aliferis, a reformed investment banker and founder of Orama: a podcast and video studio for financial brands. https://www.linkedin.com/in/george-aliferis-caia-60078312/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@investology_podcast A podcast by http://orama.tv investorama.substack.com

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The Data Secrets Behind the $Multi-Trillion Rise of Asset-Based Finance
DEC 13, 2025
The Data Secrets Behind the $Multi-Trillion Rise of Asset-Based Finance
<p>As banks retreated from 2008, Private Credit filled in the gap. What started as a niche within private equity now operates like a global lending system. And it extends beyond corporate balance sheets, <strong>asset-based finance</strong>, the ability to lend against real, cash-generating assets is growing fast and offers countless opportunities. The real unlock isn’t just capital — it’s the <strong>data and technology allowing to manage these assets at scale</strong>.</p><p>Granular, asset-level data enables better underwriting, continuous monitoring, and access to previously illiquid markets. </p><p>In my conversation with Cesar Estrada, we explored:</p><p>* How private credit replaced traditional bank lending</p><p>* Why asset-backed finance is now being unleashed</p><p>* How to understand the fall of Tricolor and First Brands</p><p>* And how data and technology could be defining the winners in this market</p><p>A few highlights from our conversation</p><p>Asset-based finance - an ever-expanding universe</p><p> <em>Asset-based finance means that instead of lending against the future cash flows of a company, you’re lending against an asset and the contractual cash flows associated with that asset. That’s a very broad definition, and it can include anything within, the consumer, finance world, buy now, pay later, credit cards, auto loans, student loans, any personal term loans, residential mortgages, home, equity lines of credit, the list, keeps on going on as you move outside of a consumer world into, other types of things.</em></p><p><em>Any type of account receivable, supply chain financing, litigation finance, and then more esoteric stuff like, synthetic risk transfers and other things. And it’s becoming very specialized by verticals: aviation finance, medical equipment finance…</em></p><p><em>It has possibly a larger addressable market than direct lending. It offers a lot of runway for growth for private equity, private credit firms, hedge funds, and insurance companies participating directly in this space.</em></p><p>The need for data feeds</p><p> <em>From a risk management perspective, given the rate of change of a consumer world, loans are being paid, new loans are being issued, loans are being not paid. You want to be </em><strong><em>monitoring this much much more real time</em></strong><em> than you do in a corporate book, where you’re getting monthly reporting from the borrower and you are comparing their latest actual financials against the original underwriting thesis against prior periods. And you do that activity once a month.</em></p><p><em>This is not a once-a-month thing. This is a daily thing. You want to see how it’s changing because it’s changing very dynamically.</em></p><p>I was surprised that this frequency of data was even a possibility, and Cesar also added that it goes beyond risk management; it also feeds into the creation of funds for private investors with daily NAV and daily liquidity.</p><p> <em>The frequency of reporting increases, the liquidity choices increase, and the volumes and rate of change in the investment strategies increase. That all compounds to necessitate a very robust, modern technology to process all of that data.</em></p><p>The First Brands & Tricolor question</p><p>Cesar mentioned he didn’t have any specifics on the situation, and when I asked about the data issue, his response from a data management provider was to be expected.</p><p><em>It is certainly possible that better data with more accuracy and more frequency could have helped offer a view that those assets were being used as collateral with multiple lenders. […]</em></p><p>But I wanted to dig a bit further, and at first, the response confirmed that when a crisis happens, all assets that are linked to it fall at the same time, even if in the long term, there’s dispersion (like banks during the Global Financial crisis)</p><p><em>In terms of how it happened so quickly, so abruptly. Again, pure speculation, I think that those things might have been bubbling without the public knowing for a while. But as soon as a big source of financing decides that you’re no longer creditworthy, all of the other sources of financing follow suit, and it’s very abrupt. You can face a liquidity challenge and go bankrupt.</em></p><p>It reminded me that Apollo Global Management shorted First Brands’ credit risk before the company’s fall, showing the <strong>information asymmetry</strong> that still exists in private credit. This requires a few caveats: First Brands was more direct lending; Tricolor was more linked to asset-based finance; nothing says that Apollo had better data. Yet, until the data-based approach that Cesar described becomes table stakes, it could be an important differentiator.</p><p>Related episode:</p><p><strong>About Cesar Estrada:</strong>Cesar oversees Arcesium’s investment operations, accounting, and data management solutions for private markets fund managers and institutional investors. Previously, he served as Senior Managing Director and Alternatives Segment Head for North America at State Street – a role in which he drove the growth agenda for a business with approximately $1 trillion in Assets Under Administration (AUA) by leading new product launches, expansion into new client segments, strategic partnerships, and acquisitions. Prior to that, as a Managing Director at J.P. Morgan, Cesar led the Private Equity & Real Estate Funds Services business from launch to $350Bn AUA. While at J.P. Morgan, he also held investment banking roles in New York, London, and Hong Kong.</p><p>Link: https://www.arcesium.com/authors/cesar-estrada</p><p><strong>About the Investlogy podcast:</strong>Investology is a podcast dedicated to rethinking investment management and uncovering new ways to deliver better outcomes for investors.Listen on every podcast <a target="_blank" href="https://pod.link/1511595070">platform</a>, or watch on <a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/@investology_podcast">YouTube</a>.</p><p><strong>An episode produced by </strong><a target="_blank" href="http://orama.tv/"><strong>Orama</strong></a><strong>:</strong></p><p>Accelerate sales to the financial industry with content that builds trust and drives pipeline with sales-driven video strategies.</p><p><strong>About the Host:</strong></p><p>George Aliferis, CAIA is the founder of Orama, where he has produced content for financial brands and multinationals including Amazon, Expedia, Louis Vuitton, and Unilever. Before that, he spent over a decade structuring, marketing and selling complex financial products to institutional clients in Europe and Asia.</p><p>LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/george-aliferis-60078312/</p><p><strong>My Investing & Investment Management YouTube Channels</strong></p><p>* <a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/investorama">Investorama</a> - Separating Investment Facts from Financial Fiction (YouTube)</p><p>* <a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/@investorama_podcast">Investology</a> - Re-Think Investment Management (YouTube)</p> <br/><br/>This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit <a href="https://investorama.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&#38;utm_campaign=CTA_1">investorama.substack.com</a>
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Finding Alpha in Distressed Debt | Dan Bird - EMEA Credit and Special Situations
DEC 9, 2025
Finding Alpha in Distressed Debt | Dan Bird - EMEA Credit and Special Situations
<p>I’ve been hoping to discuss special situations and distressed debt, one of the least hyped but most interesting areas of finance and credit for a while.</p><p>Distressed debt investing requires a triple threat skillset: understanding legal frameworks, financial health, and industry landscapes.</p><p>It offers unique diversification benefits, standing apart from traditional equity and bond markets, and offers relatively defined investment horizons.</p><p>For all these reasons, the potential for alpha generation is significant, but it demands patience and precision.</p><p>So when I got the chance to interview Dan Bird’s team who’s been holding senior roles in that space for over two decades, I jumped on this rare opportunity. We explore the complexity of these markets and the skillsets needed to navigate them.</p><p>HIGHLIGHTS</p><p>Versatility</p><p> <em>You have to look at the company, and what it’s doing and determine a value. And sometimes that’s specific assets and sometimes that’s a stream of cash flows. Sometimes that’s intellectual property.</em></p><p><em>And then you need to be a management consultant. Is this business capable of turning itself around? Are industry forces too far against this company that it’ll never recover? So you need a, you need a lot of different skill sets in order to be successful in this type of industry.</em></p><p>Patience and Timing in Investments</p><p><em>When something in the industry changes. People are reluctant to acknowledge it. People don’t like change. Everyone thinks things revert to the mean. A lot of people involved in the situation tend to have bias just because they’ve been involved in the situation. They tend to overvalue the ability of companies to recover.</em></p><p>At this stage, I was thinking: “yeah, that’s when you, distressed investor, must intervene.” But then Dan added:</p><p><em>That’s the most dangerous time to invest when we don’t really know.</em></p><p><em>Part of doing this job the right way is finding the right entry point, the right timing. It’s very infrequently early.</em></p><p><em>Patience does matter in terms of getting into these things. A lot of time,s that doesn’t happen until very long after things start to change.</em></p><p>On Private Credit</p><p>We also discussed the rapid rise of private credit:</p><p><em>There’s worry about some of the assets that were originated in that period. We’ll have a little bit more stress. It’s possible. It’ll take a little while to figure that out. From my perspective, that just creates different opportunities.</em></p><p>And I always find it insightful, or surprising, when I hear an insider’s perspective on private markets:</p><p><em>Look, some investors like private assets because they don’t have to mark them to market.</em></p><p>To a public market mindset, this is counterintuitive. It goes against the “illiquidity premium”. One famous critic, Cliff Assness, calls it “volatility laundering”. And I used to agree wholeheartedly, but my perspective has evolved. Of course, marking your own NAV creates <a target="_blank" href="https://investorama.substack.com/p/who-needs-correct-valuations-when?r=1ewf3">Fundzi (fund + ponzi) opportunities</a>. But on the other hand, I can see how you may not want to be subject to the erratic behaviour of <a target="_blank" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Market">Mr Market.</a></p><p><strong>About Dan Bird: </strong>As the founder of Thornwood Hill LLP, I specialize in credit and alternatives asset management. With over 25 years of experience in the financial industry, I have a proven track record of managing diverse portfolios across the credit spectrum, from direct lending, to special opportunities and distressed debt to liquid credit. My expertise lies in identifying and executing strategic investment opportunities, ensuring optimal risk management, and delivering strong returns for clients. I am passionate about creating value through innovative and tailored solutions that meet the unique needs of each investor.</p><p>* LinkedIn: https://uk.linkedin.com/in/daniel-bird-18456a42</p><p><strong>About the Show: </strong>Investology is a podcast dedicated to rethinking investment management and uncovering new ways to deliver better outcomes for investors. Listen on every podcast <a target="_blank" href="https://pod.link/1511595070">platform</a>, or on <a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/@investology_podcast">YouTube</a>.</p><p><strong>An episode produced by Orama:</strong></p><p>Accelerate sales to the financial industry with content that builds trust and drives pipeline, with sales-driven video strategies</p><p><strong>About the Host:</strong></p><p>George Aliferis, CAIA is the founder of Orama, where he has produced content for many financial brands and multinationals like Amazon, Expedia, Louis Vuitton, and Unilever. Before that, he spent over a decade structuring, marketing and selling complex financial products to institutional clients in Europe and Asia.</p><p><strong>Related episodes:</strong></p><p>Episode with Aarron Filbeck from the CAIA Association on Private Debt</p><p><strong>My Investing & Investment Management YouTube Channels</strong></p><p>* <a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/investorama">Investorama</a> - Separating Investment Facts from Financial Fiction (YouTube)</p><p>* <a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/@investorama_podcast">Investology</a> - Re-Think Investment Management (YouTube)</p><p></p><p></p> <br/><br/>This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit <a href="https://investorama.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&#38;utm_campaign=CTA_1">investorama.substack.com</a>
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When Real Estate Results in Total Losses: the Weird Case of Yieldstreet (Willow Wealth)
OCT 31, 2025
When Real Estate Results in Total Losses: the Weird Case of Yieldstreet (Willow Wealth)
<p>In this solo episode, George Aliferis explores the complexities and risks associated with high-yield investment platforms, focusing on Yield Street, now rebranded as Willow Wealth. Through personal investigation and a detailed case study, he uncovers how Yieldstreet’s business model potentially leads to significant losses for investors, despite attractive marketing claims. The episode features an interview with investor Justin Klish, who shares his firsthand experiences and lessons learned from substantial losses on the platform, offering valuable insights and cautionary advice for investors considering similar opportunities. </p><p>TIMESTAMPS </p><p>00:00 Unveiling Yieldstreet’s Business Model </p><p>04:43 Deep Dive into Yieldstreet’s Products </p><p>08:11 Analysing the Risks and Failures</p><p>25:00 Interview with Yieldstreet investor Justin Klish</p><p>Related episodes </p><p><strong>My Investing & Investment Management channels</strong></p><p>* <a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/investorama">Investorama</a> - Separating Investment Facts from Financial Fiction (YouTube)</p><p>* <a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/@investorama_podcast">Investology</a> - Re-Think Investment Management (YouTube)</p><p>* <a target="_blank" href="https://pod.link/1511595070">Investology in Audio version</a></p><p><strong>For B2B Brands, Marketers & Podcasters</strong></p><p>* <a target="_blank" href="http://orama.tv/">Orama</a> (my business): Accelerate sales to the financial industry with content that builds trust and drives pipeline.</p><p>* <a target="_blank" href="https://oramatv.substack.com/">Newsletter about Selling to Financial Services</a>: on Substack</p> <br/><br/>This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit <a href="https://investorama.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&#38;utm_campaign=CTA_1">investorama.substack.com</a>
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Echoes of ETFs: The Coming Fixed Income Revolution
OCT 23, 2025
Echoes of ETFs: The Coming Fixed Income Revolution
<p>We discuss the transformative developments in the fixed income market with Blake Lynch from IMTC. </p><p>Advancements in cloud computing and automation are streamlining the traditionally manual processes associated with fixed income investments, allowing for customized portfolios at scale. This has made SMA wrappers (Separately Managed Accounts) a lot more accessible, enabling greater transparency, direct ownership, and potential tax efficiency for the bond portfolios of an increasingly large number of investors.</p><p><strong>An “Aha moment” for George Aliferis (host):</strong></p><p>I’ve been involved in ETFs since the launch of Deutsche Bank’s X-Trackers in 2007, and I’ve always believed they were an ideal wrapper for equity markets. Today they dominate. While the earlier ETFs were equity, there have been considerable developments in fixed income ETFs as well (now totalling $2 trillion in assets), but it’s not straightforward. Indexing fixed income is problematic. And there’s the fact that you can own a fund of AAA bonds, but still lose your capital due to the mark-to-market. This conversation has made me realize the adequacy of the SMA wrapper for bonds and its huge potential.</p><p><strong>About Blake Lynch, CETF®:</strong>Head Of Sales at IMTCMy mission is to address the industry’s failure to innovate and enhance technology in the fixed income space, which has resulted in fixed income professionals being neglected and subjected to inadequate and inefficient tools. I am passionate about simplifying and optimizing bond portfolio management with innovative and user-friendly software that enables meaningful automation and optimization, or as we like to call it, decision support. This allows fixed income professionals to focus on key business activities and client goals, rather than wasting time on manual and error-prone tasks. I have a proven track record of expanding the market share and reach of IMTC’s SaaS technology, leveraging my skills in new business development, sales enablement, strategic beta, and over 10 years of experience in the financial services space.</p><p><strong>Connect with Blake Lynch, CETF®:</strong></p><p>* LinkedIn: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/blakejlynch/">https://www.linkedin.com/in/blakejlynch/</a></p><p>* Website: <a target="_blank" href="https://imtc.com/">https://imtc.com/</a></p><p><strong>About the Show:</strong>Investology is a podcast hosted by George Aliferis, CAIA, dedicated to rethinking investment management and uncovering new ways to deliver better outcomes for investors.Listen on every podcast <a target="_blank" href="https://pod.link/1511595070">platform</a>, or on <a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/@investology_podcast">YouTube</a>.</p><p><strong>Resources Mentioned:</strong></p><p>Episode with Russell Feldman (CEO of IMTC)</p><p>Episode with MJ Lytle (then-CEO of Tabula)</p><p><strong>Timestamps & Topics:</strong><strong>00:00</strong> Introducing a pivotal moment in fixed income</p><p>02:27 Understanding Separately Managed Accounts (SMAs)</p><p>04:48 The technological revolution in bond portfolio management</p><p>07:56 Benefits of SMAs</p><p>10:07 How IMTC works</p><p>28:33 The outlook for fixed income technology</p><p><strong>My Investing & Investment Management channels</strong></p><p>* <a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/investorama">Investorama</a> - Separating Investment Facts from Financial Fiction (YouTube)</p><p>* <a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/@investorama_podcast">Investology</a> - Re-Think Investment Management (YouTube)</p><p>* <a target="_blank" href="https://pod.link/1511595070">Investology in Audio version</a></p><p><strong>For B2B Brands, Marketers & Podcasters</strong></p><p><a target="_blank" href="http://orama.tv/">Orama</a> (my business): helps brands grow with podcasts & videos - DM if you need help with a brand podcast or videos</p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://oramatv.substack.com/">Newsletter about B2B marketing and podcasting</a>: on Substack</p><p></p> <br/><br/>This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit <a href="https://investorama.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&#38;utm_campaign=CTA_1">investorama.substack.com</a>
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Agentic AI 2.0: from Efficiency to Alpha
JUL 30, 2025
Agentic AI 2.0: from Efficiency to Alpha
<p>Marco Aboav, CEO of Etna Research, delivers a contrarian take on the current state of AI and automation in financial services. The real challenge now is not technology, but change management, for operational efficiency. But not as a magic bullet for generating alpha. The real edge comes from domain expertise, data selection, and sophisticated modelling—areas where AI can assist but not replace human judgment. </p><p><strong>Key Takeaways:</strong></p><p>* The innovation cycle in AI for finance is already peaking—most essential tools and workflows are already available.</p><p>* The next frontier is not more technology, but how organizations manage change, optimize teams, and handle data in a world of brutal efficiency.</p><p>* Incumbents can still fight back against pricing pressure through operational efficiency and smart management decisions.</p><p>* Big tech companies may struggle to succeed in verticals like finance, where high accuracy and deep integration are required.</p><p>* The “frontier” is in highly specialized, vertical applications, not in generic AI solutions.</p><p><strong>About Marco Aboav:</strong>Marco Aboav is the CEO and Founder of Etna Research, specializing in the intersection of AI, data, and financial services. With deep expertise in operational efficiency and technology integration, Marco brings a unique perspective on the challenges and opportunities facing the industry today.</p><p><em>”I fell in love with AI's potential to transform investing back in 2009 while wrestling with my engineering PhD. Since then, I’ve spent my career in financial services—across buy and sell-side roles in London—building businesses, managing money, and applying AI to capital markets.”</em></p><p><strong>Connect with Marco Aboav:</strong></p><p>* LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marco-jean-aboav/</p><p>* Website: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.etnaresearch.com/">Etna Research</a> </p><p><strong>About the Show:</strong>Investology is a podcast hosted by George Aliferis, CAIA, dedicated to rethinking investment management and uncovering new ways to deliver better outcomes for investors.Listen on every podcast <a target="_blank" href="https://pod.link/1511595070">platform</a>, or on <a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/@investology_podcast">YouTube</a>.</p><p><strong>Resources Mentioned:</strong></p><p>* Previous episode with Marco: </p><p>* Perplexity for Finance: https://www.perplexity.ai/finance</p><p>* Anthropic’s MCP protocol: https://www.anthropic.com/news/model-context-protocol</p><p>* Finbourne’s MCP announcement: https://www.finbourne.com/finbourne-unlocks-compliant-agentic-ai-for-the-investment-industry-powered-by-mcp/</p><p>* Anthropic for Financial Services: https://www.anthropic.com/solutions/financial-services</p><p><strong>Etna’s recent publications</strong></p><p>* Diversification an Ephemeral Illusion: https://etnaresearch.notion.site/Diversification-An-Ephemeral-Illusion-231457fd575a800ead88c99086368e8a?pvs=74</p><p>* Backtest Roulette: https://etnaresearch.notion.site/Backtest-Roulette-238457fd575a80dc8c27dc8e7574ed40</p><p><strong>Timestamps & Topics:</strong><strong>00:00</strong> – Introduction: Data Challenges</p><p><strong>04:00</strong> – Introduction to Agent AI for Data Management</p><p><strong>06:39</strong> – Simplifying Data Processes with AI</p><p><strong>08:47</strong> – The Role of Data in Gaining Competitive Edge</p><p><strong>13:06</strong> – Generative AI in Financial Services: Commodity or Edge?</p><p><strong>19:13</strong> – Operational Efficiency and AI Adoption</p><p><strong>25:03</strong> – Verticalization and High-Precision Problems</p><p><strong>40:30</strong> – The Future of AI in Investment Management</p><p></p> <br/><br/>This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit <a href="https://investorama.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&#38;utm_campaign=CTA_1">investorama.substack.com</a>
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50 MIN