<p>In this episode of The Defiant Podcast, Camila Russo sits down with Jing Wang to discuss how Optimism is evolving and why the debate over what counts as a “real” Ethereum L2 might be missing the point.</p><p>Jing argues that the most important question isn’t whether a chain is an L1, L2, or sidechain. </p><p>It’s whether the architecture actually serves users and real-world use cases.</p><p>“If it looks like an L1, we’ll build that. If it looks like an L2, we’ll build that.”</p><p>In the conversation we cover:</p><ul><li>Why Optimism now sees itself as a network of blockchains (the Superchain)</li><li>The debate around Ethereum L2 decentralization sparked by Vitalik Buterin</li><li>Why institutions are already using decentralized rails</li><li>Why ZK proofs are the future</li><li>And why Jing believes finance inevitably moves on-chain</li></ul><p>Nexo is a premier digital assets wealth platform that helps clients build, manage, and preserve their wealth through advanced interest-generating products, crypto-backed credit, advanced trading tools, and 24/7 client care. Get started at <a href="https://nexo.com/defiant" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://nexo.com/defiant</a> </p><p><br></p><p>Your Web3 product deserves solid payment infrastructure. Global on/off-ramps, custom APIs, and DeFi connectivity trusted by the biggest names in crypto: <a href="https://mercuryo.io/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer">https://mercuryo.io/</a></p>