318. AI, Creativity and Innovation - 人工智能、创意与创新：对话 Lars Tvede
<p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><img data-key="0" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/e436-audiofreehighqps/90/8A/GAqhpOoKwcGzAEgUoQMSN6kq.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" alt="" data-origin="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/e436-audiofreehighqps/90/8A/GAqhpOoKwcGzAEgUoQMSN6kq.jpg?op_type=0" data-large="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/e436-audiofreehighqps/90/8A/GAqhpOoKwcGzAEgUoQMSN6kq.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" data-large-width="750" data-large-height="562.5" data-preview="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/e436-audiofreehighqps/90/8A/GAqhpOoKwcGzAEgUoQMSN6kq.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_small" data-preview-width="140" data-preview-height="105"><br></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">Our guest for this episode is Lars Tvede, entrepreneur, investor, and author. His book Supertrends is available in Chinese: 《逃不开的大势》. We met in Shanghai, to discuss his book and technology trends. </p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">本期嘉宾：拉斯·特维德(Lars Tvede)，知名投资人、企业家。著有畅销书《逃不开的经济周期》、《金融心理学》、《逃不开的大势》等作品，中信出版社出版。</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">bookmarks:</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">00:49 - motivation for the book Supertrends. Innovation and technology progress leading to a future of hyper-abundance.</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">14:25 - AI and fusion technology have always been "20 years away". What's different this time. </p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">21:12 - Ted Chiang's argument that AI cannot create art. The concept of "self-play".</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">31:03 - importance of meaning and intention in artistic expression. Can AI possess feelings and consciousness? Embodied experiences.</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">37:39 - recent impact of AI on competitive board game playing. The potential of personal AI to enhance human experiences, helping individuals discover their talents and passions.</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">45:51 - impact of AI on human agency and decision-making. The joy of learning and the importance of making mistakes in personal growth. The dual nature of technology, which can both empower and lead to complacency.</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">51:18 - the evolving startup scene in Europe. Contrasting the European startup landscape with Silicon Valley. Challenges in securing large investments for growth stage European startups.</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">53:56 - the emerging field of anti-aging research. Humans may soon have access to treatments that can slow or even reverse aging. Potential societal implications and safety concerns associated with these advancements.</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">00:49 - 《逃不开的大势》创作动机。创新和技术进步将带来物质极大丰富的未来。</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">14:25 - 人工智能和核聚变在过去一直是遥不可及的技术。这次有什么不同。</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">21:12 - Ted Chiang 观点：人工智能无法创造艺术。“自我对弈”概念。</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">31:03 - 艺术创作中，意义和意图 (meaning and intention) 的重要性。人工智能能否拥有情感和意识？拥有物理身体的体验。</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">37:39 - 近期人工智能对竞技棋类游戏的影响。个人人工智能 (personal AI) 增强人类体验的潜力，帮助个人发现自己的才能和激情。</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">45:51 - 人工智能对人类自主性和决策的影响。学习的乐趣和犯错在个人成长中的重要性。技术既能赋予能力也可能导致失去努力动力。</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">51:18 - 欧洲初创企业生态。欧洲创业与硅谷的不同。欧洲成长型初创企业融资的挑战。</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">53:56 - 新兴的抗衰老研究领域。人类可能很快能够使用延缓甚至逆转衰老的方法。这些进步可能带来的社会影响和安全问题。</p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><img data-key="1" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/2ac8-audiofreehighqps/CC/97/GKwRIaIKwcGPAApS2QMSN5NW.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" alt="" data-origin="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/2ac8-audiofreehighqps/CC/97/GKwRIaIKwcGPAApS2QMSN5NW.jpg?op_type=0" data-large="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/2ac8-audiofreehighqps/CC/97/GKwRIaIKwcGPAApS2QMSN5NW.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" data-large-width="750" data-large-height="1276.1194029850747" data-preview="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/2ac8-audiofreehighqps/CC/97/GKwRIaIKwcGPAApS2QMSN5NW.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_small" data-preview-width="140" data-preview-height="238.2089552238806"><br></p><span><br></span><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><img data-key="2" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/6690-audiofreehighqps/55/7F/GKwRIUEKwcGcAAQXDQMSN5xv.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" alt="" data-origin="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/6690-audiofreehighqps/55/7F/GKwRIUEKwcGcAAQXDQMSN5xv.jpg?op_type=0" data-large="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/6690-audiofreehighqps/55/7F/GKwRIUEKwcGcAAQXDQMSN5xv.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_large" data-large-width="750" data-large-height="750" data-preview="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/6690-audiofreehighqps/55/7F/GKwRIUEKwcGcAAQXDQMSN5xv.jpg!op_type=4&device_type=ios&upload_type=attachment&name=mobile_small" data-preview-width="140" data-preview-height="140"><br></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">Links:</p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>Lars Tvede, Supertrends《逃不开的大势》</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal">Ted Chiang, "Why AI isn't going to make art" </p><span><br></span>
