In this insightful conversation, Anthony Delaney and Rich Robinson explore the concept of church as a movement, emphasizing the importance of balancing gathering and scattering, discipleship, and leadership. They discuss how to reimagine church, the role of the apest gifts, and practical steps for leaders to foster movement in their communities.   Chapters 00:00 Understanding Movement in the Church 01:57 Defining Movement and Its Characteristics 09:31 The Difference Between Church and Movement 18:26 Reimagining Church as Movement 22:22 Personal Reflections on Church and Movement 26:05 The Tension of the Kingdom: Gathering and Scattering 28:19 Equipping for Everyday Mission: Beyond Sunday 31:01 Understanding the APES Framework: Apostolic Leadership 38:29 Signs of Institutionalization: Protecting vs. Pioneering 41:22 Embracing Disruption: The Leader's Journey 44:12 The Down and Through Process: Navigating Change 47:56 Resources for Leaders: Books and Guidance