What does it look like to build resilience in your design career? In this episode, we talk with Janko Jovanovic, a design manager at Zalando, the leading online fashion platform in Europe with over 14,000 employees and 30 million customers. Janko talks about his path from programmer to design manager and his experience with coaching younger designers. We also talk about what good mistakes we have made in our careers and how system thinking could be the key to building resilience.