Claudia talks to political philosophers Sue Donaldson and Will Kymlicka about their latest book Animals and the Right to Politics. They discuss the differences between societal and placed based politics, unpacking why both are necessary to enable animals’ political engagement. Date Recorded: 30 January 2026Featured: <ul><li><a href='https://global.oup.com/academic/product/animals-and-the-right-to-politics-9780198989004?cc=at&amp;lang=en&amp;'>Right to Politics and The Right to Politics</a> by Sue Donaldson and Will Kymlicka </li><li><a href='https://www.jstor.org/stable/45302463'>Animal agora: Animal citizens and the democratic challenge</a> by Sue Donaldson</li><li><a href='https://www.jstor.org/stable/48843140'>Environmental Ethics as Environmental Etiquette</a> by Jim Cheney and Anthony Weston</li><li><a href='https://www.dukeupress.edu/what-comes-after-entanglement'>What Comes After Entanglement</a> by Eva Giraud</li><li><a href='https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctt1xhr6n9'>Public Things</a> by Bonnie Honig</li><li><a href='https://www.britannica.com/place/Frontenac-Axis'>The Frontenac Axis</a></li><li><a href='https://vinesanctuary.org/'>VINE Sanctuary</a></li></ul>Other Episodes of The Animal Turn<ul><li><a href='https://theanimalturn.buzzsprout.com/1246910/episodes/4755824-s1e1-animal-rights-with-will-kymlicka'>S1E1: Animal Rights with Will Kymlicka</a></li><li><a href='https://theanimalturn.buzzsprout.com/1246910/episodes/6665003-s2e7-political-multispecies-communities-with-sue-donaldson'>S2E7: Political Multispecies Communities with Sue Donaldson</a></li><li><a href='https://theanimalturn.buzzsprout.com/1246910/episodes/13822195-s6e1-politics-with-will-kymlicka'>S6E1: Politics with Will Kymlicka</a></li><li><a href='https://theanimalturn.buzzsprout.com/1246910/episodes/12959936-bonus-koalas-with-danielle-clode'>Bonus: Koalas with Danielle Clode</a> </li></ul><a target="_blank" href="https://animalpolitics.queensu.ca/">A.P.P.L.E</a> Animals in Politics, Law, and Ethics researches how we live in interspecies societies and polities. Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you. <a rel="payment" href="https://www.buzzsprout.com/1246910/support">Support the show</a>The Animal Turn is hosted and produced by Claudia Hirtenfelder and is part of the <a href='https://iroarpod.com/join/'> iROAR</a> Network. Learn more on <a href='https://www.theanimalturnpodcast.com/'>our website.</a> <ul><li>Leave a Review on  <a href='https://www.podchaser.com/podcasts/the-animal-turn-1395878'>Podchaser</a> </li><li>Check out <a href='https://the-animal-turn.teemill.com/'>The Animal Turn Merch</a>. </li><li>Support us on <a href='https://www.patreon.com/join/TheAnimalTurn'>Patreon</a>, <a href='https://www.buymeacoffee.com/theanimalturn'>Buy Me a Coffee</a>, and <a href='https://theanimalturn.buzzsprout.com/'>Buzzsprout.</a> </li></ul>

<description>&lt;p&gt;Claudia talks to political philosophers Sue Donaldson and Will Kymlicka about their latest book &lt;em&gt;Animals and the Right to Politics. &lt;/em&gt;They discuss the differences between societal and placed based politics, unpacking why both are necessary to enable animals’ political engagement. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Date Recorded: &lt;/b&gt;30 January 2026&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Featured: &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href='https://global.oup.com/academic/product/animals-and-the-right-to-politics-9780198989004?cc=at&amp;amp;lang=en&amp;amp;'&gt;&lt;em&gt;Right to Politics and The Right to Politics&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt; by Sue Donaldson and Will Kymlicka &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href='https://www.jstor.org/stable/45302463'&gt;&lt;em&gt;Animal agora: Animal citizens and the democratic challenge&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt; by Sue Donaldson&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href='https://www.jstor.org/stable/48843140'&gt;Environmental Ethics as Environmental Etiquette&lt;/a&gt; by Jim Cheney and Anthony Weston&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href='https://www.dukeupress.edu/what-comes-after-entanglement'&gt;&lt;em&gt;What Comes After Entanglement&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt; by Eva Giraud&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href='https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctt1xhr6n9'&gt;&lt;em&gt;Public Things&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt; by Bonnie Honig&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href='https://www.britannica.com/place/Frontenac-Axis'&gt;The Frontenac Axis&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href='https://vinesanctuary.org/'&gt;VINE Sanctuary&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Other Episodes of The Animal Turn&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href='https://theanimalturn.buzzsprout.com/1246910/episodes/4755824-s1e1-animal-rights-with-will-kymlicka'&gt;S1E1: Animal Rights with Will Kymlicka&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href='https://theanimalturn.buzzsprout.com/1246910/episodes/6665003-s2e7-political-multispecies-communities-with-sue-donaldson'&gt;S2E7: Political Multispecies Communities with Sue Donaldson&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href='https://theanimalturn.buzzsprout.com/1246910/episodes/13822195-s6e1-politics-with-will-kymlicka'&gt;S6E1: Politics with Will Kymlicka&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href='https://theanimalturn.buzzsprout.com/1246910/episodes/12959936-bonus-koalas-with-danielle-clode'&gt;Bonus: Koalas with Danielle Clode&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://animalpolitics.queensu.ca/"&gt;A.P.P.L.E&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;Animals in Politics, Law, and Ethics researches how we live in interspecies societies and polities.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a rel="payment" href="https://www.buzzsprout.com/1246910/support"&gt;Support the show&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The Animal Turn is hosted and produced by Claudia Hirtenfelder and is part of the &lt;a href='https://iroarpod.com/join/'&gt; iROAR&lt;/a&gt; Network. Learn more on &lt;a href='https://www.theanimalturnpodcast.com/'&gt;our website.&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Leave a Review on  &lt;a href='https://www.podchaser.com/podcasts/the-animal-turn-1395878'&gt;Podchaser&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Check out &lt;a href='https://the-animal-turn.teemill.com/'&gt;The Animal Turn Merch&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Support us on &lt;a href='https://www.patreon.com/join/TheAnimalTurn'&gt;Patreon&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href='https://www.buymeacoffee.com/theanimalturn'&gt;Buy Me a Coffee&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href='https://theanimalturn.buzzsprout.com/'&gt;Buzzsprout.&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;</description>

Claudia talks to political philosophers Sue Donaldson and Will Kymlicka about their latest book Animals and the Right to Politics. They discuss the differences between societal and placed based politics, unpacking why both are necessary to enable animals’ political engagement.  Date Recorded: 30 January 2026 Featured:  Right to Politics and The Right to Politics by Sue Donaldson and Will Kymlicka Animal agora: Animal citizens and the democratic challenge by Sue DonaldsonEnviron...

Bonus: Animals and the Right to Politics with Sue Donaldson and Will Kymlicka 

In this episode Claudia talks Teddy Duncan Jr. who departs from the Marxian consideration of the meat-commodity to think about how psychoanalysis, especially Lacanian psychoanalysis, might be useful in understanding human relations with meat. They discuss the interconnections of language, disavowal, symbolism, jouissance, and ‘the Real’ in this discussion. Date Recorded: 12 November 2025Teddy Duncan Jr is a professor at Valencia College in Orlando, Florida. Teddy’s academic writing on subjects such as animality, psychoanalysis, pedagogy, and philosophy has been published in Between the Species, Journal on Excellence in College Teaching, the International Journal of Zizek Studies, The Latin American Literary Review, and The Midwest Quarterly. His freelance writing on art, politics, and literature has appeared in publications such as The Observer, Compact Magazine, Document Journal, and Washington Independent Review of Books, among others. His first academic book, Interpreting Meat, was released in late 2024.  Get in touch with Teddy Duncan via <a href='mailto:tduncan15@valenciacollege.edu'>tduncan15@valenciacollege.edu</a>Featured: <ul><li><a href='https://www.routledge.com/Zoological-Lacan-A-Lacanian-Framework-for-Animality-and-Humanness/Duncan-Jr/p/book/9781041064305?_ga=undefined'>Zoological Lacan: A Lacanian Framework for Animality and Humanness</a> by Teddy Duncan</li><li><a href='https://www.versobooks.com/products/1354-for-they-know-not-what-they-do?srsltid=AfmBOopITOSkErBV_Co4tFAdc2Kk5-R_4KbcF_d1A2BLSIYVYrN1Qo_G'>For They Know Not What They Do: Enjoyment as a Political Factor</a>by Slavoj Žižek</li><li><a href='https://caroljadams.com/spom-the-book'>The Sexual Politics of Meat</a> by Carol Adams </li><li><a href='https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/358058/mythologies-by-roland-barthes/9780099529750'>Mythologies</a>by Roland Barthes </li><li><a href='https://cup.columbia.edu/book/powers-of-horror/9780231214575/'>Powers of Horror</a> by Julia Kristeva</li><li><a href='https://www.abebooks.com/9780521466721/Animal-Edible-Volume-0-Vialles-0521466725/plp'>Animal to Edible</a> by Noilie Vialles</li><li><a href='https://www.taylorfrancis.com/books/edit/10.4324/9781003059486/ecrits-selection-jacques-lacan?refId=4fc34d3a-ff58-4a87-ad17-abe74ab81e36&amp;context=ubx'>Ecrits: A Selection</a> by Jacques Lacan</li><li><a href='https://www.jstor.org/stable/25614299'>Human, All Too Human: &quot;Animal Studies&quot; and the Humanities</a> by Cary Wolfe </li><li><a href='https://www.chick-fil-a.com/stories/celebrating-the-cows'>“Eat More Chicken”</a> – Chick-Fil-A-Cows Ad Campaign</li></ul> <a target="_blank" href="https://animalpolitics.queensu.ca/">A.P.P.L.E</a> Animals in Politics, Law, and Ethics researches how we live in interspecies societies and polities. Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you. <a rel="payment" href="https://www.buzzsprout.com/1246910/support">Support the show</a>The Animal Turn is hosted and produced by Claudia Hirtenfelder and is part of the <a href='https://iroarpod.com/join/'> iROAR</a> Network. Learn more on <a href='https://www.theanimalturnpodcast.com/'>our website.</a> <ul><li>Leave a Review on  <a href='https://www.podchaser.com/podcasts/the-animal-turn-1395878'>Podchaser</a> </li><li>Check out <a href='https://the-animal-turn.teemill.com/'>The Animal Turn Merch</a>. </li><li>Support us on <a href='https://www.patreon.com/join/TheAnimalTurn'>Patreon</a>, <a href='https://www.buymeacoffee.com/theanimalturn'>Buy Me a Coffee</a>, and <a href='https://theanimalturn.buzzsprout.com/'>Buzzsprout.</a> </li></ul>

<description>&lt;p&gt;In this episode Claudia talks Teddy Duncan Jr. who departs from the Marxian consideration of the meat-commodity to think about how psychoanalysis, especially Lacanian psychoanalysis, might be useful in understanding human relations with meat. They discuss the interconnections of language, disavowal, symbolism, jouissance, and ‘the Real’ in this discussion. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Date Recorded: &lt;/b&gt;12 November 2025&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Teddy Duncan Jr&lt;/b&gt; is a professor at Valencia College in Orlando, Florida. Teddy’s academic writing on subjects such as animality, psychoanalysis, pedagogy, and philosophy has been published in &lt;em&gt;Between the Species&lt;/em&gt;, &lt;em&gt;Journal on Excellence in College Teaching,&lt;/em&gt; the &lt;em&gt;International&lt;/em&gt; &lt;em&gt;Journal of Zizek Studies, The Latin American Literary Review, &lt;/em&gt;and &lt;em&gt;The Midwest Quarterly. &lt;/em&gt;His freelance writing on art, politics, and literature has appeared in publications such as The &lt;em&gt;Observer&lt;/em&gt;, &lt;em&gt;Compact Magazine&lt;/em&gt;, &lt;em&gt;Document Journal, &lt;/em&gt;and &lt;em&gt;Washington Independent Review of Books&lt;/em&gt;, among others. His first academic book, &lt;em&gt;Interpreting Meat,&lt;/em&gt; was released in late 2024.  Get in touch with Teddy Duncan via &lt;a href='mailto:tduncan15@valenciacollege.edu'&gt;tduncan15@valenciacollege.edu&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Featured: &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href='https://www.routledge.com/Zoological-Lacan-A-Lacanian-Framework-for-Animality-and-Humanness/Duncan-Jr/p/book/9781041064305?_ga=undefined'&gt;&lt;em&gt;Zoological Lacan: A Lacanian Framework for Animality and Humanness&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt; by Teddy Duncan&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href='https://www.versobooks.com/products/1354-for-they-know-not-what-they-do?srsltid=AfmBOopITOSkErBV_Co4tFAdc2Kk5-R_4KbcF_d1A2BLSIYVYrN1Qo_G'&gt;&lt;em&gt;For They Know Not What They Do: Enjoyment as a Political Factor&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;by Slavoj Žižek&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href='https://caroljadams.com/spom-the-book'&gt;&lt;em&gt;The Sexual Politics of Meat&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt; by Carol Adams &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href='https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/358058/mythologies-by-roland-barthes/9780099529750'&gt;&lt;em&gt;Mythologies&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;by Roland Barthes &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href='https://cup.columbia.edu/book/powers-of-horror/9780231214575/'&gt;&lt;em&gt;Powers of Horror&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt; by Julia Kristeva&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href='https://www.abebooks.com/9780521466721/Animal-Edible-Volume-0-Vialles-0521466725/plp'&gt;&lt;em&gt;Animal to Edible&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt; by Noilie Vialles&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href='https://www.taylorfrancis.com/books/edit/10.4324/9781003059486/ecrits-selection-jacques-lacan?refId=4fc34d3a-ff58-4a87-ad17-abe74ab81e36&amp;amp;context=ubx'&gt;&lt;em&gt;Ecrits: A Selection&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt; by Jacques Lacan&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href='https://www.jstor.org/stable/25614299'&gt;&lt;em&gt;Human, All Too Human: &amp;quot;Animal Studies&amp;quot; and the Humanities&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt; by Cary Wolfe &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href='https://www.chick-fil-a.com/stories/celebrating-the-cows'&gt;“Eat More Chicken”&lt;/a&gt; – Chick-Fil-A-Cows Ad Campaign&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://animalpolitics.queensu.ca/"&gt;A.P.P.L.E&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;Animals in Politics, Law, and Ethics researches how we live in interspecies societies and polities.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a rel="payment" href="https://www.buzzsprout.com/1246910/support"&gt;Support the show&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The Animal Turn is hosted and produced by Claudia Hirtenfelder and is part of the &lt;a href='https://iroarpod.com/join/'&gt; iROAR&lt;/a&gt; Network. Learn more on &lt;a href='https://www.theanimalturnpodcast.com/'&gt;our website.&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Leave a Review on  &lt;a href='https://www.podchaser.com/podcasts/the-animal-turn-1395878'&gt;Podchaser&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Check out &lt;a href='https://the-animal-turn.teemill.com/'&gt;The Animal Turn Merch&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Support us on &lt;a href='https://www.patreon.com/join/TheAnimalTurn'&gt;Patreon&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href='https://www.buymeacoffee.com/theanimalturn'&gt;Buy Me a Coffee&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href='https://theanimalturn.buzzsprout.com/'&gt;Buzzsprout.&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;</description>

In this episode Claudia talks Teddy Duncan Jr. who departs from the Marxian consideration of the meat-commodity to think about how psychoanalysis, especially Lacanian psychoanalysis, might be useful in understanding human relations with meat. They discuss the interconnections of language, disavowal, symbolism, jouissance, and ‘the Real’ in this discussion.  Date Recorded: 12 November 2025 Teddy Duncan Jr is a professor at Valencia College in Orlando, Florida. Teddy’s academic writing on ...

Bonus: Psychoanalysis and the Meat-Commodity with Teddy Duncan Jr.

A scientific abstract can tell you a species is declining. A story can make you feel what that loss means and why it should change how you live. In this episode Claudia talks to Lucy Spelman, Susan Tacent, and Christopher Kondrich, the co-editors behind Creature Needs, a striking book that juxtaposes conservation science with poems, essays, and fiction written in response. They discuss the book, writing as a means of connection, and the politics of conservation.  Date Recorded: 29 June 2025Featured: <ul><li><a href='https://creatureconserve.com/'>Creature Conserve</a></li><li><a href='https://www.upress.umn.edu/9781517918316/creature-needs/'>Creature Needs: Writers Respond to the Science of Animal Conservation</a> Edited by Christopher Kondrich, Lucy Spelman and Susan Tacent</li><li><a href='https://www.theanimalturnpodcast.com/copy-of-s4-animals-and-sound'>Animals and Sound</a> on The Animal Turn</li><li><a href='https://feralatlas.org/'>Feral Atlas</a> by Anna Tsing </li><li><a href='https://www.jstor.org/stable/2183914'>What is it like to be a bat?</a> By Thomas Nagel</li><li><a href='https://www.theanimalturnpodcast.com/what-is-the-animal-highlight'>The Animal Highlight</a></li><li><a href='https://theanimalturn.buzzsprout.com/1246910/episodes/16390793-s7e6-compassionate-conservation-with-daniel-ramp'>Compassionate Conservation with Daniel Ramp</a>, The Animal Turn</li></ul>The Animal Turn is part of the <a href='https://iroarpod.com/join/'> iROAR</a>, an Animals Podcasting Network and can also be found on <a href='https://animalpolitics.queensu.ca/'>A.P.P.L.E</a>, <a href='https://ca.linkedin.com/company/the-animal-turn'>LinkedIn,</a> <a href='https://bsky.app/profile/theanimalturn.bsky.social'>Blue Sky,</a> and <a href='https://www.instagram.com/theanimalturn/'>Instagram</a> Thank you to Animals in Philosophy, Politics, Law and Ethics (<a href='https://animalpolitics.queensu.ca/'>A.P.P.L.E</a>) for sponsoring this podcast; Gordon Clarke (Instagram: @_con_sol_) for the bed music, Jeremy John for the logo, Rebecca Shen for her design work. This episode was edited and produced by the host Claudia Towne Hirtenfelder. <a target="_blank" href="https://animalpolitics.queensu.ca/">A.P.P.L.E</a> Animals in Politics, Law, and Ethics researches how we live in interspecies societies and polities. Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you. <a rel="payment" href="https://www.buzzsprout.com/1246910/support">Support the show</a>The Animal Turn is hosted and produced by Claudia Hirtenfelder and is part of the <a href='https://iroarpod.com/join/'> iROAR</a> Network. Learn more on <a href='https://www.theanimalturnpodcast.com/'>our website.</a> <ul><li>Leave a Review on  <a href='https://www.podchaser.com/podcasts/the-animal-turn-1395878'>Podchaser</a> </li><li>Check out <a href='https://the-animal-turn.teemill.com/'>The Animal Turn Merch</a>. </li><li>Support us on <a href='https://www.patreon.com/join/TheAnimalTurn'>Patreon</a>, <a href='https://www.buymeacoffee.com/theanimalturn'>Buy Me a Coffee</a>, and <a href='https://theanimalturn.buzzsprout.com/'>Buzzsprout.</a> </li></ul>

<description>&lt;p&gt;A scientific abstract can tell you a species is declining. A story can make you feel what that loss means and why it should change how you live. In this episode Claudia talks to Lucy Spelman, Susan Tacent, and Christopher Kondrich, the co-editors behind Creature Needs, a striking book that juxtaposes conservation science with poems, essays, and fiction written in response. They discuss the book, writing as a means of connection, and the politics of conservation.  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Date Recorded: &lt;/b&gt;29 June 2025&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Featured: &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href='https://creatureconserve.com/'&gt;&lt;em&gt;Creature Conserve&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href='https://www.upress.umn.edu/9781517918316/creature-needs/'&gt;&lt;em&gt;Creature Needs: Writers Respond to the Science of Animal Conservation&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt; Edited by&lt;b&gt; &lt;/b&gt;Christopher Kondrich, Lucy Spelman and Susan Tacent&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href='https://www.theanimalturnpodcast.com/copy-of-s4-animals-and-sound'&gt;&lt;em&gt;Animals and Sound&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt; on The Animal Turn&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href='https://feralatlas.org/'&gt;&lt;em&gt;Feral Atlas&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt; by Anna Tsing &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href='https://www.jstor.org/stable/2183914'&gt;&lt;em&gt;What is it like to be a bat?&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt; By Thomas Nagel&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href='https://www.theanimalturnpodcast.com/what-is-the-animal-highlight'&gt;&lt;em&gt;The Animal Highlight&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href='https://theanimalturn.buzzsprout.com/1246910/episodes/16390793-s7e6-compassionate-conservation-with-daniel-ramp'&gt;&lt;em&gt;Compassionate Conservation with Daniel Ramp&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, The Animal Turn&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;The Animal Turn is part of the &lt;a href='https://iroarpod.com/join/'&gt; iROAR&lt;/a&gt;, an Animals Podcasting Network and can also be found on &lt;a href='https://animalpolitics.queensu.ca/'&gt;A.P.P.L.E&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href='https://ca.linkedin.com/company/the-animal-turn'&gt;LinkedIn,&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href='https://bsky.app/profile/theanimalturn.bsky.social'&gt;Blue Sky,&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href='https://www.instagram.com/theanimalturn/'&gt;Instagram&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt; &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Thank you&lt;/b&gt; to Animals in Philosophy, Politics, Law and Ethics (&lt;a href='https://animalpolitics.queensu.ca/'&gt;A.P.P.L.E&lt;/a&gt;) for sponsoring this podcast; Gordon Clarke (Instagram: @_con_sol_) for the bed music, Jeremy John for the logo, Rebecca Shen for her design work. This episode was edited and produced by the host Claudia Towne Hirtenfelder. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://animalpolitics.queensu.ca/"&gt;A.P.P.L.E&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;Animals in Politics, Law, and Ethics researches how we live in interspecies societies and polities.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a rel="payment" href="https://www.buzzsprout.com/1246910/support"&gt;Support the show&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The Animal Turn is hosted and produced by Claudia Hirtenfelder and is part of the &lt;a href='https://iroarpod.com/join/'&gt; iROAR&lt;/a&gt; Network. Learn more on &lt;a href='https://www.theanimalturnpodcast.com/'&gt;our website.&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Leave a Review on  &lt;a href='https://www.podchaser.com/podcasts/the-animal-turn-1395878'&gt;Podchaser&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Check out &lt;a href='https://the-animal-turn.teemill.com/'&gt;The Animal Turn Merch&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Support us on &lt;a href='https://www.patreon.com/join/TheAnimalTurn'&gt;Patreon&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href='https://www.buymeacoffee.com/theanimalturn'&gt;Buy Me a Coffee&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href='https://theanimalturn.buzzsprout.com/'&gt;Buzzsprout.&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;</description>

A scientific abstract can tell you a species is declining. A story can make you feel what that loss means and why it should change how you live. In this episode Claudia talks to Lucy Spelman, Susan Tacent, and Christopher Kondrich, the co-editors behind Creature Needs, a striking book that juxtaposes conservation science with poems, essays, and fiction written in response. They discuss the book, writing as a means of connection, and the politics of conservation.   Date Recorded: 29 June ...

Bonus: Creature Needs with Lucy Spelman, Susan Tacent, and Christopher Kondrich

We explore how Stranger Things signals a new monstrous moment, moving from unknowable creatures to human-made villains, and what that shift says about power, identity, and culture. Along the way, we ask how animals get coded as monsters and when their agency is reclaimed or removed in film and TV. Date Recorded: 22 April 2025 Featured: <ul><li>Tolerance Discourse and Young Adult Holocaust Literatureby Rachel Dean-Ruzicka </li><li>Paranormal Maturation: Uncanny Teenagers and Canny Killers by Rachel Dean-Ruzicka </li><li>Of Scrivens and Sparks: Girl Geniuses in Young Adult Dystopian Fiction by Rachel Dean-Ruzicka </li><li><a href='https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/abs/classic-readings-on-monster-theory/monster-culture-seven-theses/037DF46A9307EB293BA5F55C9BC8E185'>Monster Culture (Seven Theses)</a> by Jeffrey Jerome Cohen</li><li><a href='https://www.upress.umn.edu/9781517905255/the-monster-theory-reader/'>The Monster Theory Reader</a> by  Jeffrey Andrew Weinstock</li><li>The Angel of Indian Lake by  Stephen Graham Jones</li><li>Annihilation by Jeff Vandermeer</li><li>Stranger Things</li><li>Cocaine Bear</li><li>Mickey 17</li><li>Okja</li><li>Random Number Generator Horror Podcast No. 9</li><li>Nature Trail to Hell</li><li>Monsters, Heroes, and Others: Unpacking Power in Media and Politics through Race or Species</li></ul><a target="_blank" href="https://animalpolitics.queensu.ca/">A.P.P.L.E</a> Animals in Politics, Law, and Ethics researches how we live in interspecies societies and polities. <a target="_blank" href="https://iroarpod.com/about/">iROAR Network</a> iROAR brings together podcasts that aim is to make the world a better place for animals. <a target="_blank" href="https://www.gatech.edu/">Georgia Institute of Technology </a> School of Modern Language, Ivan Allen College of Liberal Arts, School of Literature, Media, &amp; Commun <a target="_blank" href="https://thepollinationproject.org/">Pollination Project </a> The Pollination Project empowers volunteers across by providing the funding they need. Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you. <a rel="payment" href="https://www.buzzsprout.com/1246910/support">Support the show</a>The Animal Turn is hosted and produced by Claudia Hirtenfelder and is part of the <a href='https://iroarpod.com/join/'> iROAR</a> Network. Learn more on <a href='https://www.theanimalturnpodcast.com/'>our website.</a> <ul><li>Leave a Review on  <a href='https://www.podchaser.com/podcasts/the-animal-turn-1395878'>Podchaser</a> </li><li>Check out <a href='https://the-animal-turn.teemill.com/'>The Animal Turn Merch</a>. </li><li>Support us on <a href='https://www.patreon.com/join/TheAnimalTurn'>Patreon</a>, <a href='https://www.buymeacoffee.com/theanimalturn'>Buy Me a Coffee</a>, and <a href='https://theanimalturn.buzzsprout.com/'>Buzzsprout.</a> </li></ul>

<description>&lt;p&gt;We explore how Stranger Things signals a new monstrous moment, moving from unknowable creatures to human-made villains, and what that shift says about power, identity, and culture. Along the way, we ask how animals get coded as monsters and when their agency is reclaimed or removed in film and TV.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Date Recorded: &lt;/b&gt;22 April 2025&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Featured: &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;em&gt;Tolerance Discourse and Young Adult Holocaust Literature&lt;/em&gt;by Rachel Dean-Ruzicka &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Paranormal Maturation: Uncanny Teenagers and Canny Killers by Rachel Dean-Ruzicka &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Of Scrivens and Sparks: Girl Geniuses in Young Adult Dystopian Fiction by Rachel Dean-Ruzicka &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href='https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/abs/classic-readings-on-monster-theory/monster-culture-seven-theses/037DF46A9307EB293BA5F55C9BC8E185'&gt;&lt;em&gt;Monster Culture (Seven Theses)&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt; by Jeffrey Jerome Cohen&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href='https://www.upress.umn.edu/9781517905255/the-monster-theory-reader/'&gt;The Monster Theory Reader&lt;/a&gt; by  Jeffrey Andrew Weinstock&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;The Angel of Indian Lake by  Stephen Graham Jones&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;em&gt;Annihilation &lt;/em&gt;by Jeff Vandermeer&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;em&gt;Stranger Things&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;em&gt;Cocaine Bear&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;em&gt;Mickey 17&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;em&gt;Okja&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;em&gt;Random Number Generator Horror Podcast No. 9&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;em&gt;Nature Trail to Hell&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Monsters, Heroes, and Others: Unpacking Power in Media and Politics through Race or Species&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://animalpolitics.queensu.ca/"&gt;A.P.P.L.E&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;Animals in Politics, Law, and Ethics researches how we live in interspecies societies and polities.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://iroarpod.com/about/"&gt;iROAR Network&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;iROAR brings together podcasts that aim is to make the world a better place for animals. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.gatech.edu/"&gt;Georgia Institute of Technology &lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;School of Modern Language, Ivan Allen College of Liberal Arts, School of Literature, Media, &amp;amp; Commun&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://thepollinationproject.org/"&gt;Pollination Project &lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;The Pollination Project empowers volunteers across by providing the funding they need. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a rel="payment" href="https://www.buzzsprout.com/1246910/support"&gt;Support the show&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The Animal Turn is hosted and produced by Claudia Hirtenfelder and is part of the &lt;a href='https://iroarpod.com/join/'&gt; iROAR&lt;/a&gt; Network. Learn more on &lt;a href='https://www.theanimalturnpodcast.com/'&gt;our website.&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Leave a Review on  &lt;a href='https://www.podchaser.com/podcasts/the-animal-turn-1395878'&gt;Podchaser&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Check out &lt;a href='https://the-animal-turn.teemill.com/'&gt;The Animal Turn Merch&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Support us on &lt;a href='https://www.patreon.com/join/TheAnimalTurn'&gt;Patreon&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href='https://www.buymeacoffee.com/theanimalturn'&gt;Buy Me a Coffee&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href='https://theanimalturn.buzzsprout.com/'&gt;Buzzsprout.&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;</description>

We explore how Stranger Things signals a new monstrous moment, moving from unknowable creatures to human-made villains, and what that shift says about power, identity, and culture. Along the way, we ask how animals get coded as monsters and when their agency is reclaimed or removed in film and TV.   Date Recorded: 22 April 2025   Featured:  Tolerance Discourse and Young Adult Holocaust Literatureby Rachel Dean-Ruzicka Paranormal Maturation: Uncanny Teenagers and Canny Killers b...

S8EB: Monstrous Others with Rachel Dean-Ruzicka 

Gina Song Lopez, researching vegan movements in Taiwan and China through the lens of local culture and social media, and Taylor Jobling, a law lecturer unpacking how Australia’s legislation categorises animals, come on to the show to discuss the main themes and tensions to emerge in Season 8, Animals and Media  Date Recorded: 8 December 2025 Featured:<ul><li> <a href='https://www.dukeupress.edu/what-comes-after-entanglement'>What Comes After Entanglement</a> by Eva Giraud</li><li><a href='https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250353276/thebirthofkoreancool/'>The Birth of Korean Cool</a> by Euny Hong</li><li><a href='https://nyupress.org/9781479825967/the-omnivores-deception/'>The Omnivore’s Deception</a> by John Sanbonmatsu</li><li><a href='https://global.oup.com/academic/product/animals-and-the-right-to-politics-9780198989004'>Animals and the Rights to Politics</a> by Sue Donaldson and Will Kymlicka</li><li><a href='https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/25148486241281227'>An analytical framework to understand the problematization of urban (historical) animals</a> by Claudia Hirtenfelder</li><li><a href='https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2545118/'>Black Fish</a> </li><li><a href='https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0266543/'>Finding Nemo </a></li><li><a href='https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4772188/'>Flow</a></li><li><a href='https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1313104/'>The Cove</a></li><li><a href='https://www.cowspiracy.com/'>Cowspiracy</a></li><li><a href='https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0358456/'>Earthlings</a></li></ul><a target="_blank" href="https://animalpolitics.queensu.ca/">A.P.P.L.E</a> Animals in Politics, Law, and Ethics researches how we live in interspecies societies and polities. <a target="_blank" href="https://iroarpod.com/about/">iROAR Network</a> iROAR brings together podcasts that aim is to make the world a better place for animals. <a target="_blank" href="https://www.gatech.edu/">Georgia Institute of Technology </a> School of Modern Language, Ivan Allen College of Liberal Arts, School of Literature, Media, &amp; Commun <a target="_blank" href="https://thepollinationproject.org/">Pollination Project </a> The Pollination Project empowers volunteers across by providing the funding they need. Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you. <a rel="payment" href="https://www.buzzsprout.com/1246910/support">Support the show</a>The Animal Turn is hosted and produced by Claudia Hirtenfelder and is part of the <a href='https://iroarpod.com/join/'> iROAR</a> Network. Learn more on <a href='https://www.theanimalturnpodcast.com/'>our website.</a> <ul><li>Leave a Review on  <a href='https://www.podchaser.com/podcasts/the-animal-turn-1395878'>Podchaser</a> </li><li>Check out <a href='https://the-animal-turn.teemill.com/'>The Animal Turn Merch</a>. </li><li>Support us on <a href='https://www.patreon.com/join/TheAnimalTurn'>Patreon</a>, <a href='https://www.buymeacoffee.com/theanimalturn'>Buy Me a Coffee</a>, and <a href='https://theanimalturn.buzzsprout.com/'>Buzzsprout.</a> </li></ul>

<description>&lt;p&gt;Gina Song Lopez, researching vegan movements in Taiwan and China through the lens of local culture and social media, and Taylor Jobling, a law lecturer unpacking how Australia’s legislation categorises animals, come on to the show to discuss the main themes and tensions to emerge in Season 8, Animals and Media &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Date Recorded: &lt;/b&gt;8 December 2025&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Featured:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt; &lt;a href='https://www.dukeupress.edu/what-comes-after-entanglement'&gt;What Comes After Entanglement&lt;/a&gt; by Eva Giraud&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href='https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250353276/thebirthofkoreancool/'&gt;&lt;em&gt;The Birth of Korean Cool&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt; by Euny Hong&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href='https://nyupress.org/9781479825967/the-omnivores-deception/'&gt;The Omnivore’s Deception&lt;/a&gt; by John Sanbonmatsu&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href='https://global.oup.com/academic/product/animals-and-the-right-to-politics-9780198989004'&gt;&lt;em&gt;Animals and the Rights to Politics&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt; by Sue Donaldson and Will Kymlicka&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href='https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/25148486241281227'&gt;An analytical framework to understand the problematization of urban (historical) animals&lt;/a&gt; by Claudia Hirtenfelder&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href='https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2545118/'&gt;Black Fish&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href='https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0266543/'&gt;Finding Nemo &lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href='https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4772188/'&gt;Flow&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href='https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1313104/'&gt;The Cove&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href='https://www.cowspiracy.com/'&gt;Cowspiracy&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href='https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0358456/'&gt;Earthlings&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://animalpolitics.queensu.ca/"&gt;A.P.P.L.E&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;Animals in Politics, Law, and Ethics researches how we live in interspecies societies and polities.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://iroarpod.com/about/"&gt;iROAR Network&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;iROAR brings together podcasts that aim is to make the world a better place for animals. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.gatech.edu/"&gt;Georgia Institute of Technology &lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;School of Modern Language, Ivan Allen College of Liberal Arts, School of Literature, Media, &amp;amp; Commun&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://thepollinationproject.org/"&gt;Pollination Project &lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;The Pollination Project empowers volunteers across by providing the funding they need. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a rel="payment" href="https://www.buzzsprout.com/1246910/support"&gt;Support the show&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The Animal Turn is hosted and produced by Claudia Hirtenfelder and is part of the &lt;a href='https://iroarpod.com/join/'&gt; iROAR&lt;/a&gt; Network. Learn more on &lt;a href='https://www.theanimalturnpodcast.com/'&gt;our website.&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Leave a Review on  &lt;a href='https://www.podchaser.com/podcasts/the-animal-turn-1395878'&gt;Podchaser&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Check out &lt;a href='https://the-animal-turn.teemill.com/'&gt;The Animal Turn Merch&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Support us on &lt;a href='https://www.patreon.com/join/TheAnimalTurn'&gt;Patreon&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href='https://www.buymeacoffee.com/theanimalturn'&gt;Buy Me a Coffee&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href='https://theanimalturn.buzzsprout.com/'&gt;Buzzsprout.&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;</description>

Gina Song Lopez, researching vegan movements in Taiwan and China through the lens of local culture and social media, and Taylor Jobling, a law lecturer unpacking how Australia’s legislation categorises animals, come on to the show to discuss the main themes and tensions to emerge in Season 8, Animals and Media    Date Recorded: 8 December 2025   Featured:  What Comes After Entanglement by Eva GiraudThe Birth of Korean Cool by Euny HongThe Omnivore’s Deception by John Sanbonmats...

S8E10: Grad Review with Gina Song Lopez and Taylor Jobling

Animals are increasingly at the forefront of research questions – Not as shadows to human stories, or as beings we want to understand biologically, or for purely our benefit – but as beings who have histories, stories, and geographies of their own. Each season is set around themes with each episode unpacking a particular animal turn concept and its significance therein. Join Claudia Hirtenfelder as she delves into some of the most important ideas emerging out of this recent turn in scholarship, thinking, and being.

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