Most companies say sustainability is a priority. Far fewer are seeing it actually move the needle on their business. A new industry survey puts a number on that gap: more than 85% of executives plan to increase their sustainability investments  yet only about one in four reports very high impact from those efforts. So what's going wrong, and how do the leaders get it right? In this episode of the Optimistic Outlook, Siemens' Erica Call sits down with UL Solutions' Luca De Ferrari to explore why sustainability is shifting from a compliance checkbox to a genuine growth strategy. Drawing on conversations with manufacturers and industrial companies across the U.S., they dig into why investment keeps rising even as pressure for real ROI intensifies and what's holding most organizations back from turning ambition into measurable results. They reveal how trusted analytics, clear data, and real-time visibility into energy costs are giving leading companies something their competitors don't have: the ability to use sustainability to reduce costs, manage risk, and strengthen long-term competitiveness. In other words, for the companies thinking about sustainability as integral to their process, it not a cost of doing business anymore - it's their competitive edge.   Show notes Episode transcript UL Solutions ‘Sustainability Surge’ Report: https://www.ul.com/news/ul-solutions-sustainability-surge-report-offers-insights-sustainable-innovation UL Solutions - From Regulatory Compliance to Competitive Competence: https://www.ul.com/resources/tale-two-cs-compliance-competency Siemens - Turning compliance into competitive advantage: https://blog.siemens.com/2025/08/csrd-turning-compliance-into-competitive-advantage/ Siemens Advanta - Building a Data-Driven Sustainability Reporting Strategy: https://www.siemens-advanta.com/featured-articles/data-driven-sustainability-reporting-strategy Siemens Sustainability Impact Report 2025: https://assets.ctfassets.net/17si5cpawjzf/1yDtHJ6i5AHdCLGDmnuDeS/dfb63459695840fd0954d4aab356747b/siemens-sustainability-impact.pdf