<description>&lt;p&gt;In this episode, Katie talks to Elle Bower Johnston. Elle (she/they) is a body witch. Their work is the alchemisation of breathwork, somatic, and rest practices with witchcraft and folk magic. She works with creatives, witches, queers, change-makers, weirdos - folks who might not necessarily feel like they belong in ‘wellness’ or ‘spiritual’ spaces - to help them get into deeper their relationship with their body and connect with their magic.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Her work is queer- and trans-centred, trauma-conscious, and rooted in unravelling colonialism and capitalism from the ways we relate to our bodies. They believe that our personal practices can be microcosms of liberation that spiral out and create a better world.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;During this Katie &amp; Elle discuss:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;The societal pressure to stay "busy" and how it often undermines our well-being&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;How moving through space—whether walking, driving, or traveling by train—enhances mental clarity and creativity. &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Understanding different types of rest and exploring rest from various perspectives—physical, mental, spiritual, and social.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;The liberating power of saying "no" and how starting from a place of refusal can help reclaim energy and create space for true rest.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;The paradox of needing to slow down in an urgent world&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;You can connect with Elle here&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Website: &lt;a href="http://ellebowerjohnston.com" target="_blank"&gt;ellebowerjohnston.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Instagram: &lt;a href="http://www.instagram.com/ellebowerjohnston" target="_blank"&gt;@ellebowerjohnston&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Free Notion dashboard of rest practices for rebels - &lt;a href="http://subscribepage.io/radicalrestportal" target="_blank"&gt;Radical Rest Portal&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Here are some highlights:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;The Pressure of Productivity &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;"Nobody comes up to me and says, ‘You seem inspired at the moment or happy or well-rested.’ It’s always, ‘Oh my gosh, you’re so busy,’ as if productivity is the only measure of success. But what about asking if my work is bringing me joy?”&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Embracing the Chaos of Rest &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;"Rest isn’t just about napping or yoga Nidra. It’s anything that connects your mind and body, bringing you back to a sense of wholeness. It’s about exploring different layers of self and finding coherence, whether it’s through traditional practices or something as simple as revisiting childhood movies."&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;The Power of Saying No&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;"Starting from a place of refusal is a form of reclaiming energy. We often move with this sense of ‘I have to, I have to,’ but by saying no, we allow ourselves to drop back, be present, and reclaim rest as an act of self-care."&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;The Importance of Listening to the Body&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;"Listening to your body is key. It’s not just about what your mind wants but also what your body needs. Sometimes, rest is about allowing your body to guide you, trusting its signals, and respecting the need to pause, breathe, and reset."&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Books, Podcasts &amp; Articles we mentioned:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://uk.bookshop.org/a/6304/9781914221057"&gt;Experiments in Imagining Otherwise&lt;/a&gt; by Lola Olufemi&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/brand/m001mc4p"&gt;The BBC’s &lt;i&gt;Witch&lt;/i&gt; podcast&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://uk.bookshop.org/a/6304/9781849352604"&gt;Emergent Strategy&lt;/a&gt; by Adriene Marie Brown&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://makingdesigncircular.org/conference/"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Making Design Circular Conference – 2024&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;LEARN HOW TO TALK ABOUT YOUR ECO-EFFORTS WITH CONFIDENCE so you can connect with values-aligned clients and customers without the fear of getting called out.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;10 am–5 PM BST Thursday 05 September 2024&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;A 1-day virtual conference for purpose-driven founders making imperfect progress towards genuine environmental sustainability.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://uk.bookshop.org/a/6304/9789493039896"&gt;Broken: Mending and repair in a throwaway world&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Katie’s sixth book celebrates 25 artists, curators, menders and re-makers who have rejected the allure of the fast, disposable and easy in favour of the patina of use, the stories of age and the longevity of care and repair. Accompanying these profiles, six in-depth essays explore the societal, cultural and environmental roles of mending in a throwaway world.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://katietreggiden.com/cultivating-hope/"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Cultivating Hope, 3 part mini course&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;strong&gt;: &lt;/strong&gt;Are you ready to cultivate hope in the face of the climate crisis? Sign up to Katie’s three-part free mini course that will help you move through feelings of helplessness, reconnect with nature and take aligned action.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://makingdesigncircular.org/membership/"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Making Design Circular membership&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;: An international membership community and online learning platform for environmentally conscious designers, makers artists and craftspeople – join us!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Spread the Word:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Please share &lt;i&gt;Making Design&lt;/i&gt; &lt;i&gt;Circular with Katie Treggiden&lt;/i&gt; with wild abandon — with your friends, family, and fellow purpose-driven founders of making-based businesses or wherever interesting conversations about creativity happen in your world! &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;If you love what you’re listening to, show us some love by following Circular with Katie Treggiden in this app and leaving a review. All that good stuff tells the ‘algorithm Gods’ to show the podcast to more people, and that can only be a good thing, right?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Sign up for our my e-newsletter ‘&lt;i&gt;Weekly(ish) Musings for Curious, Imperfect and Stubbornly Optimistic Environmentalist&lt;/i&gt;s’ - just click &lt;a href="https://katietreggiden.com/" target="_blank"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;And find me on the Interwebs:  @katietreggiden (Twitter, TikTok), &amp; &lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/@katietreggiden3908"&gt;@katietreggiden3908&lt;/a&gt; (YouTube) &amp; &lt;a href="https://www.instagram.com/katietreggiden.1/" target="_blank"&gt;@katietreggiden.1&lt;/a&gt; (Instagram) – and if you’re a designer, maker, artist or craftsperson, join me on IG @making_design_circular_&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;About Katie:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Katie Treggiden is the founder and director of &lt;i&gt;Making Design Circular&lt;/i&gt; – an international membership community and online learning platform for environmentally conscious designers, makers artists and craftspeople. She is also an author, journalist and podcaster championing a hopeful approach to environmentalism. With more than 20 years' experience in the creative industries, she regularly contributes to publications such as &lt;i&gt;The Guardian, The Observer, Crafts Magazine &lt;/i&gt;and&lt;i&gt; Dezeen&lt;/i&gt;. She is currently exploring the question ‘Can craft save the world?’ through her sixth book, &lt;i&gt;Broken: Mending &amp; Repair in a Throwaway World&lt;/i&gt; (Ludion, 2023), this very podcast.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Get full access to Brackish at &lt;a href="https://brackishbykatietreggiden.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&amp;#38;utm_campaign=CTA_4"&gt;brackishbykatietreggiden.substack.com/subscribe&lt;/a&gt;</description>

Welcome to season five of Making Design Circular with Katie Treggiden, in which I’m asking all the questions that purpose-driven founders of making-based businesses have about making genuine progress towards environmental sustainability – and hopefully answering some of them too.

In Conversation with... Elle Bower-Johnston

<description>&lt;p&gt;In this episode, Katie talks to Rosie Murphy. Rosie is a consummate communicator and connector.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;She is just one of a broad ecosystem of architectural workers uniting for greater social justice and environmental consciousness in all aspects of the built environment. She is an advocate for networks such as Black Females in Architecture, HomeGrown Plus and Architects Climate Action Network. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Rosie's work is centred on youth engagement, creating creative opportunities and experiences for children and young people to be empowered, informed and activated citizens of the future. Rosie works collaboratively across boundaries of design, education and activism in the UK and her new community in Aotearoa, New Zealand.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;During this Katie &amp; Rosie discuss:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;The importance of a non-linear approach to design thinking&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Collaboration as an expression of hope &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;How true collaboration requires honesty about power imbalances and a commitment to sharing power where possible, even when it’s challenging.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;The idea that collaboration can be deeply informed by observing and learning from nature&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Challenges in collaboration&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;The importance of integrating cultural identity into design work&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;You can connect with Rosie here&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Website:  &lt;a href="https://rosiemurphyme.wixsite.com/onlineportfolio"&gt;https://rosiemurphyme.wixsite.com/onlineportfolio&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Instagram:  &lt;a href="https://www.instagram.com/rosiemurphy.me"&gt;https://www.instagram.com/rosiemurphy.me&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;LinkedIn:&lt;a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/contact-rosiemurphy/"&gt;https://www.linkedin.com/in/contact-rosiemurphy/&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Here are some highlights:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Embracing Non-Linear Design Thinking&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;"So this non-linear cycle includes points like ideation, reflection, prototyping and testing, so a lot of aspects of the design process that we're very familiar with, but I feel with a greater sensitivity to community, to ancestry and history, and to a great sensitivity to nature and resources, and yeah, in the way that it's laid out in this koru, this spiral which itself is taken from nature."&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Understanding Power Dynamics in Collaboration&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;"…power is absolutely the most important and most essential aspect of collaboration... collaboration is not equal, there are many different forms of collaboration from community engagement to citizen participation, all the way up to citizen empowerment."&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Learning from Nature’s Wisdom&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;"I just wanted to share a quite beautiful Maori proverb or saying that I was just introduced to recently, which is erere kau, mai te awa nui, mai te kahui, maunga ki tangaroa, pō au te awa, pō te awa, pō au. And that means the river flows from the mountain to the sea, I am the river, the river is me. And for me, that is truly understanding the fact that we are not separate to nature, we are not separate to the natural world, that the way that we operate is part of this global environmental system."&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Books, Podcasts &amp; Articles we mentioned:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://uk.bookshop.org/a/6304/9781526618818"&gt;Against the Loveless World&lt;/a&gt; by Susan Abulhawa&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7Jaf30ScObiEEU9R574qCU"&gt;Drunk Women Solving Crime Podcast&lt;/a&gt; with hosts Hannah George and Taylor Glenn&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://makingdesigncircular.org/conference/"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Making Design Circular Conference – 2024&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;LEARN HOW TO TALK ABOUT YOUR ECO-EFFORTS WITH CONFIDENCE so you can connect with values-aligned clients and customers without the fear of getting called out.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;10 am–5 PM BST Thursday 05 September 2024&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;A 1-day virtual conference for purpose-driven founders making imperfect progress towards genuine environmental sustainability.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://uk.bookshop.org/a/6304/9789493039896"&gt;Broken: Mending and repair in a throwaway world&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Katie’s sixth book celebrates 25 artists, curators, menders and re-makers who have rejected the allure of the fast, disposable and easy in favour of the patina of use, the stories of age and the longevity of care and repair. Accompanying these profiles, six in-depth essays explore the societal, cultural and environmental roles of mending in a throwaway world.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://katietreggiden.com/cultivating-hope/"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Cultivating Hope, 3 part mini course&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;strong&gt;: &lt;/strong&gt;Are you ready to cultivate hope in the face of the climate crisis? Sign up to Katie’s three-part free mini course that will help you move through feelings of helplessness, reconnect with nature and take aligned action.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://makingdesigncircular.org/membership/"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Making Design Circular membership&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;: An international membership community and online learning platform for environmentally conscious designers, makers artists and craftspeople – join us!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Spread the Word:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Please share &lt;i&gt;Making Design&lt;/i&gt; &lt;i&gt;Circular with Katie Treggiden&lt;/i&gt; with wild abandon — with your friends, family, and fellow purpose-driven founders of making-based businesses or wherever interesting conversations about creativity happen in your world! &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;If you love what you’re listening to, show us some love by following Circular with Katie Treggiden in this app and leaving a review. All that good stuff tells the ‘algorithm Gods’ to show the podcast to more people, and that can only be a good thing, right?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Sign up for our my e-newsletter ‘&lt;i&gt;Weekly(ish) Musings for Curious, Imperfect and Stubbornly Optimistic Environmentalist&lt;/i&gt;s’ - just click &lt;a href="https://katietreggiden.com/" target="_blank"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;And find me on the Interwebs:  @katietreggiden (Twitter, TikTok), &amp; &lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/@katietreggiden3908"&gt;@katietreggiden3908&lt;/a&gt; (YouTube) &amp; &lt;a href="https://www.instagram.com/katietreggiden.1/" target="_blank"&gt;@katietreggiden.1&lt;/a&gt; (Instagram) – and if you’re a designer, maker, artist or craftsperson, join me on IG @making_design_circular_&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;About Katie:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Katie Treggiden is the founder and director of &lt;i&gt;Making Design Circular&lt;/i&gt; – an international membership community and online learning platform for environmentally conscious designers, makers artists and craftspeople. She is also an author, journalist and podcaster championing a hopeful approach to environmentalism. With more than 20 years' experience in the creative industries, she regularly contributes to publications such as &lt;i&gt;The Guardian, The Observer, Crafts Magazine &lt;/i&gt;and&lt;i&gt; Dezeen&lt;/i&gt;. She is currently exploring the question ‘Can craft save the world?’ through her sixth book, &lt;i&gt;Broken: Mending &amp; Repair in a Throwaway World&lt;/i&gt; (Ludion, 2023), this very podcast.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Get full access to Brackish at &lt;a href="https://brackishbykatietreggiden.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&amp;#38;utm_campaign=CTA_4"&gt;brackishbykatietreggiden.substack.com/subscribe&lt;/a&gt;</description>

In Conversation with... Rosie Murphy

<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;**This episode was originally an Instagram Live, so at the point of going live on the podcast, the rest challenge we talk about has already happened – however, the Making Design Circular Conference is happening on Thursday 05 September 2024 – find out more &lt;/i&gt;&lt;a href="https://makingdesigncircular.org/conference/"&gt;&lt;i&gt;get your ticket for that HERE &gt;&gt;&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;i&gt; **&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;In this episode, Katie talks to Jo Casey. Jo Casey is an Autistic and ADHD speaker and business coach who helps fellow quirky-brained entrepreneurs align their business strategies with their unique mental wiring. With over 20 years of coaching experience and 15 years of successfully wrangling her own neurodivergent business, Jo has mastered the art of turning cognitive curveballs into powerful business assets.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Their innovative approach enables established entrepreneurs to work smarter, often achieving twice the results in half the time - without having to start from scratch or pretend to be neurotypical. At a time when neurodiversity is finally getting its moment in the spotlight, Jo's work is redefining success in the business world, proving that neurodivergent traits can be entrepreneurial superpowers in disguise.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Jo's expertise has sparked meaningful conversations about neurodiversity in business, challenging traditional norms and paving the way for a more inclusive (and interesting!) approach to entrepreneurship. They’ve been featured in the Huffington Post, Kind Over Matter, and Tiny Buddha, among others.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;When not kicking the business world up the butt, Jo can be found curating the perfect playlist for her latest textile crafting session or passionately explaining to puzzled friends why Jesus Christ Superstar is, without a doubt, the greatest musical ever written.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;During this Katie &amp; Jo discuss:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;The difference between physical tiredness and sensory overload &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;How to spot the signs of sensory overload&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;How to prevent sensory overload and take care of yourself when it happens&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;How neurodivergent folk sometimes need sensory rest, but sometimes sensory stimulation&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Why physical and sensory rest is so important for purpose-driven founders of making based businesses making imperfect progress towards genuine sustainability &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;You can connect with Jo here:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Website: &lt;a href="https://www.jocasey.com/" target="_blank"&gt;https://www.jocasey.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Instagram: &lt;a href="https://www.instagram.com/jocaseyb/" target="_blank"&gt;https://www.instagram.com/jocaseyb/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Facebook: &lt;a href="https://www.facebook.com/JoCaseyB/" target="_blank"&gt;https://www.facebook.com/JoCaseyB/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;…and Jo has an amazing energy mapping tool, which will help with some of the stuff we discussed, which you can access here: &lt;a href="https://www.jocasey.com/nd-energy-kit/"&gt;https://www.jocasey.com/nd-energy-kit/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Here are some highlights:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Depletion versus Nourishing&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;“One of the concepts we talk about is the things that deplete you and things that nourish you – and I really like that concept because I could be doing something that is really calm, but I’m finding it really quite depleting, or I could be doing something that is really energetic, but you’re finding it really nourishing. I really like this idea of what is depleting and what is nourishing.” &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;strong&gt;How to know when you’re experiencing sensory overload&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;“Treat yourself like a glorious experiment... tune into to what’s going on in your body.”&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;strong&gt;On rest as disruption &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;“These are my needs – and it’s perfectly fine, in fact it’s admirable, to meet my needs. Exploitative capitalism teaches us to exploit resources to the point of depletion and we are our own primary resource.”&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Being the change we want to see&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;“There is something about being the change that we want to see in the world – and having emotionally grounded, rested, healthy people, we ‘re much more likely to be able to inspire that in others… one of the things we know from neuroscience is that when we’re running on adrenaline and cortisol, the creative activity in our brain is really limited… so our ability to solve problems drops down and if there was a time when we needed people to come up with solutions to really complex, thorny problems, it’s now.”&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Books, Podcasts &amp; Articles we mentioned:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://uk.bookshop.org/a/6304/9781849352604"&gt;&lt;i&gt;Emergent Strategy&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt; by Adriene Marie Brown&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3rDR8CfpIEMpITG2UC3w5W?si=b756b828a21d4483"&gt;&lt;i&gt;Maintenance Phase&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt; podcast with Aubrey Gordon and Michael Hobbes&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://uk.bookshop.org/a/6304/9781982140113"&gt;&lt;i&gt;Laziness Does Not Exist&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt; by Dr Devon Price&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://makingdesigncircular.org/learning/the-seed/"&gt;&lt;i&gt;How To Discover Your Environmental Superpower&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;i&gt; &lt;/i&gt;– Making Design Circular short course&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://makingdesigncircular.org/conference/"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Making Design Circular Conference – 2024&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;LEARN HOW TO TALK ABOUT YOUR ECO-EFFORTS WITH CONFIDENCE so you can connect with values-aligned clients and customers without the fear of getting called out.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;10 am–5 PM BST Thursday 05 September 2024&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;A 1-day virtual conference for purpose-driven founders making imperfect progress towards genuine environmental sustainability.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://uk.bookshop.org/a/6304/9789493039896"&gt;Broken: Mending and repair in a throwaway world&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Katie’s sixth book celebrates 25 artists, curators, menders and re-makers who have rejected the allure of the fast, disposable and easy in favour of the patina of use, the stories of age and the longevity of care and repair. Accompanying these profiles, six in-depth essays explore the societal, cultural and environmental roles of mending in a throwaway world.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://katietreggiden.com/cultivating-hope/"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Cultivating Hope, 3 part mini course&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;strong&gt;: &lt;/strong&gt;Are you ready to cultivate hope in the face of the climate crisis? Sign up to Katie’s three-part free mini course that will help you move through feelings of helplessness, reconnect with nature and take aligned action.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://makingdesigncircular.org/membership/"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Making Design Circular membership&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;: An international membership community and online learning platform for environmentally conscious designers, makers artists and craftspeople – join us!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Spread the Word:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Please share &lt;i&gt;Making Design&lt;/i&gt; &lt;i&gt;Circular with Katie Treggiden&lt;/i&gt; with wild abandon — with your friends, family, and fellow purpose-driven founders of making-based businesses or wherever interesting conversations about creativity happen in your world! &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;If you love what you’re listening to, show us some love by following Circular with Katie Treggiden in this app and leaving a review. All that good stuff tells the ‘algorithm Gods’ to show the podcast to more people, and that can only be a good thing, right?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Sign up for our my e-newsletter ‘&lt;i&gt;Weekly(ish) Musings for Curious, Imperfect and Stubbornly Optimistic Environmentalist&lt;/i&gt;s’ - just click &lt;a href="https://katietreggiden.com/" target="_blank"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;And find me on the Interwebs:  @katietreggiden (Twitter, TikTok), &amp; &lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/@katietreggiden3908"&gt;@katietreggiden3908&lt;/a&gt; (YouTube) &amp; &lt;a href="https://www.instagram.com/katietreggiden.1/" target="_blank"&gt;@katietreggiden.1&lt;/a&gt; (Instagram) – and if you’re a designer, maker, artist or craftsperson, join me on IG @making_design_circular_&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;About Katie:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Katie Treggiden is the founder and director of &lt;i&gt;Making Design Circular&lt;/i&gt; – an international membership community and online learning platform for environmentally conscious designers, makers artists and craftspeople. She is also an author, journalist and podcaster championing a hopeful approach to environmentalism. With more than 20 years' experience in the creative industries, she regularly contributes to publications such as &lt;i&gt;The Guardian, The Observer, Crafts Magazine &lt;/i&gt;and&lt;i&gt; Dezeen&lt;/i&gt;. She is currently exploring the question ‘Can craft save the world?’ through her sixth book, &lt;i&gt;Broken: Mending &amp; Repair in a Throwaway World&lt;/i&gt; (Ludion, 2023), this very podcast.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Get full access to Brackish at &lt;a href="https://brackishbykatietreggiden.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&amp;#38;utm_campaign=CTA_4"&gt;brackishbykatietreggiden.substack.com/subscribe&lt;/a&gt;</description>

In Conversation with ... Jo Casey

<description>&lt;p&gt;In this episode, Katie continues last week’s conversation with Tamu Thomas a renowned transformational life coach, dedicated to guiding women towards achieving work-life harmony by embracing holistic well-being practices that align with their nervous system. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Katie &amp; Tamu explore:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;The term ‘high-functioning freeze’&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Defiant hope &amp; rage &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Activism v Martyrdom &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;And of course, the final quick fire round of season 4!&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;You can connect with Tamu here&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Website: &lt;a href="https://www.livethreesixty.com/" class="linkified" target="_blank"&gt;https://www.livethreesixty.com/&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="https://www.womenwhoworktoomuch.co/"&gt;https://www.womenwhoworktoomuch.co/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Instagram: &lt;a href="https://www.instagram.com/tamu.thomas/"&gt;https://www.instagram.com/tamu.thomas/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;LinkedIn: &lt;a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/livethreesixty/"&gt;https://www.linkedin.com/in/livethreesixty/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Learn more about Tamu’s membership here: &lt;a href="https://live-three-sixty.mykajabi.com/membership" target="_blank"&gt;https://live-three-sixty.mykajabi.com/membership&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Here are some highlights:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;I learned that it was unsafe for me to express rage &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;“Rage is part of the human experience, rage, emotion, energy in motion, rage is energy in motion that says you've got to make a change, whether it's externally or internally, but instead, we hold on to it, and have a lot of like, bitterness and resentment inside. And we get sidetracked with that. So we avoid the real issue. And we make it all about the anger or the rage.”&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Empowerment to build momentum&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;"My life is mine, square with a life of service means that your life has to be of service to you too. Because if your life is not a service to you too, if you are giving away all of your lifeforce energy, you're not actually doing activism, you're doing martyrdom. Our planet doesn't need any more martyrs. Social justice causes for human beings, animals around the world doesn't need any more martyrs what they need, or what these things we believe in need, is for us to be and this word, sometimes it gets on my nerves, but it is for us to be empowered. Because when we are empowered, rather than doing things in fits and spurts, we can actually build momentum and have a compounding effect. And I say this to my clients. And I say to myself all the time. Social justice is not just if it's not just for you too, we don't need any more martyrs. "&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Books &amp; Podcasts mentioned:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://uk.bookshop.org/a/6304/9781401969950" target="_blank"&gt;10x Is Easier Than 2x, Benjamin Hardy&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.upstreampodcast.org/" target="_blank"&gt;Upstream Podcast&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://uk.bookshop.org/a/6304/9789493039896"&gt;Broken: Mending and repair in a throwaway world&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Katie’s sixth book celebrates 25 artists, curators, menders and re-makers who have rejected the allure of the fast, disposable and easy in favour of the patina of use, the stories of age and the longevity of care and repair. Accompanying these profiles, six in-depth essays explore the societal, cultural and environmental roles of mending in a throwaway world.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://katietreggiden.com/cultivating-hope/"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Cultivating Hope, 3 part mini course&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;strong&gt;: &lt;/strong&gt;Are you ready to cultivate hope in the face of the climate crisis? Sign up to Katie’s three-part free mini course that will help you move through feelings of helplessness, reconnect with nature and take aligned action.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://makingdesigncircular.org/membership/"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Making Design Circular membership&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;: An international membership community and online learning platform for environmentally conscious designers, makers artists and craftspeople – join us!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Spread the Word:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Please share &lt;i&gt;Making Design&lt;/i&gt; &lt;i&gt;Circular with Katie Treggiden&lt;/i&gt; with wild abandon — with your friends, family, and fellow designer-makers or wherever interesting conversations about creativity happen in your world! &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;If you love what you’re listening to, show us some love by following Circular with Katie Treggiden in this app and leaving a review. All that good stuff tells the ‘algorithm Gods’ to show the podcast to more people, and that can only be a good thing, right?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Sign up for our my e-newsletter ‘&lt;i&gt;Weekly(ish) Musings for Curious, Imperfect and Stubbornly Optimistic Environmentalist&lt;/i&gt;s’ - just click &lt;a href="https://katietreggiden.com/" target="_blank"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;And find me on the Interwebs:  @katietreggiden (Twitter, TikTok), &amp; &lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/@katietreggiden3908"&gt;@katietreggiden3908&lt;/a&gt; (YouTube) &amp; &lt;a href="https://www.instagram.com/katietreggiden.1/" target="_blank"&gt;@katietreggiden.1&lt;/a&gt; (Instagram) – and if you’re a designer, maker, artist or craftsperson, join me on IG @making_design_circular_&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;About Katie:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Katie Treggiden is the founder and director of &lt;i&gt;Making Design Circular&lt;/i&gt; – an international membership community and online learning platform for environmentally conscious designers, makers artists and craftspeople. She is also an author, journalist and podcaster championing a hopeful approach to environmentalism. With more than 20 years' experience in the creative industries, she regularly contributes to publications such as &lt;i&gt;The Guardian, The Observer, Crafts Magazine &lt;/i&gt;and&lt;i&gt; Dezeen&lt;/i&gt;. She is currently exploring the question ‘Can craft save the world?’ through her sixth book, &lt;i&gt;Broken: Mending &amp; Repair in a Throwaway World&lt;/i&gt; (Ludion, 2023), this very podcast.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Get full access to Brackish at &lt;a href="https://brackishbykatietreggiden.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&amp;#38;utm_campaign=CTA_4"&gt;brackishbykatietreggiden.substack.com/subscribe&lt;/a&gt;</description>

Welcome to season four of Making Design Circular with Katie Treggiden, in which we’re exploring what it takes to cultivate a creative practice in which you, your business and the planet ALL get to thrive. We'll be diving deep into the nuances, complexities and mindset shifts that we need to embrace to bring about a just transition to a more circular economy.

In Conversation with...Tamu Thomas, part 2

<description>&lt;p&gt;In this episode, Katie talks to Tamu Thomas a renowned transformational life coach and the author of "Women Who Work Too Much: Break Free from Toxic Productivity and Find Your Joy." She is dedicated to guiding women towards achieving work-life harmony by embracing holistic well-being practices that align with their nervous system. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Tamu's groundbreaking book sheds light on the systemic pressures that force women into a cycle of over-functioning, often leading to significant workplace stress and an imbalanced share of emotional and domestic responsibilities. Drawing on her extensive background in social work, she has a profound understanding of the systemic roots of these issues, particularly the disproportionate impact they have on women. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Tamu's unique coaching methodology is deeply influenced by somatic practices and Polyvagal theory, focusing on helping women rebuild a connection with their core selves, establish healthy boundaries, and forming a strong sense of self-trust. She is especially attuned to the nuanced challenges faced by Black women and women of the global majority, navigating what she terms ‘the trinity of oppression’: patriarchy, white supremacy, and capitalism. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;In her own words, Tamu asserts, "We don’t need more self-improvement; we need systemic change.” Her approach is not just about personal transformation but about sparking wider societal shifts. Her insights and guidance are invaluable for those seeking a life filled with fulfillment, deep connections, and genuine joy, amidst the demands of our fast-paced world.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Linked with the “nurture” pillar of the Making Design Circular framework, Katie &amp; Tamu discuss:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;The new book Women Who Work Too Much – Break Free from Toxic Productivity and Find Your Joy!&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Toxic Productivity&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Our connection with nature and why it’s so&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Why it’s so important that we reconnect mind and body&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Simple ways we should be honouring our basic needs&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Why we shouldn’t be adopting a belief that we’re broken&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;You can connect with Tamu here:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Website: &lt;a href="https://www.livethreesixty.com/" class="linkified" target="_blank"&gt;https://www.livethreesixty.com/&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="https://www.womenwhoworktoomuch.co/"&gt;https://www.womenwhoworktoomuch.co/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Instagram: &lt;a href="https://www.instagram.com/tamu.thomas/"&gt;https://www.instagram.com/tamu.thomas/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;LinkedIn: &lt;a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/livethreesixty/"&gt;https://www.linkedin.com/in/livethreesixty/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Learn more about Tamu’s membership here: &lt;a href="https://live-three-sixty.mykajabi.com/membership" target="_blank"&gt;https://live-three-sixty.mykajabi.com/membership&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Here are some episode highlights:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Recognise we’re not designed to go it alone&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;“The beauty is as human beings we're not designed to go it alone. So it can feel really daunting when we feel like oh my goodness, the system is rigged, for most of us to be at fault, for most of us to fail, when we recognise that we can start to embody the genius of our species, which is connection, and compassion, and all of that stuff. And we can start to work together to create systems and structures that care for us and our planet.”&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;The Idea of Toxic Productivity&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;“We don't just breathe in, we need to breathe in, we need to exhale. And in fact, something I say all the time is, the rest is quite often more important than the race. The rest is what sets us up. And we often talk about being part of nature. Actually, no, we are nature. We are all children of this earth. Whilst we were born of our mother's wombs, we are all children of this earth, there is nothing on this earth that is productive, that is producing all the time. Even our evergreen trees have times of rest and dormancy. We're not supposed to be doing that all the time. It is unnatural. So as we stepped into the industrial revolution, we started making all of these machines to make our life easier. But once we identified that we could create mass, and people could consume more. And that mass would result into profit it was profit and growth above everything else. So it shifted how we experience ourselves. And generally speaking, we started to compare ourselves to the machines we created to make our lives easier. And that's when we started talking more about consistency.”&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Capitalist Conditioning&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;“let's be real, there are many times in life where we do have to go beyond our bandwidth sometimes. But it's about recognising the difference, so that we can make choices and we can do that for finite periods of time. We have a sympathetic nervous system for a reason, we go into states of fight or flight for a reason, they're not all bad, but it's a finite period of time. What happens in our culture is that the rules of capitalism say, actually, you should always be beyond your capacity, that's a good work ethic, that's being efficient, that is being somebody who is reliable. And it just conditions us, if you think of us like a piece of elastic, it conditions us to always be overstressed over stretched elastic. And so we have situations where people use anxiety as a motivational tool. None of this stuff will happen overnight, but over time, we can start being motivated by what feels good, what's in service of our long term good, as opposed to constantly being motivated by anxiety, which is our body's warning signal for terror.”&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Books &amp; Podcasts mentioned:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://uk.bookshop.org/a/6304/9781401969950" target="_blank"&gt;10x Is Easier Than 2x, Benjamin Hardy&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.upstreampodcast.org/" target="_blank"&gt;Upstream Podcast&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://uk.bookshop.org/a/6304/9789493039896"&gt;Broken: Mending and repair in a throwaway world&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Katie’s sixth book celebrates 25 artists, curators, menders and re-makers who have rejected the allure of the fast, disposable and easy in favour of the patina of use, the stories of age and the longevity of care and repair. Accompanying these profiles, six in-depth essays explore the societal, cultural and environmental roles of mending in a throwaway world.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://katietreggiden.com/cultivating-hope/"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Cultivating Hope, 3 part mini course&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;strong&gt;: &lt;/strong&gt;Are you ready to cultivate hope in the face of the climate crisis? Sign up to Katie’s three-part free mini course that will help you move through feelings of helplessness, reconnect with nature and take aligned action.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://makingdesigncircular.org/membership/"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Making Design Circular membership&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;: An international membership community and online learning platform for environmentally conscious designers, makers artists and craftspeople – join us!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Spread the Word:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Please share &lt;i&gt;Making Design&lt;/i&gt; &lt;i&gt;Circular with Katie Treggiden&lt;/i&gt; with wild abandon — with your friends, family, and fellow designer-makers or wherever interesting conversations about creativity happen in your world! &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;If you love what you’re listening to, show us some love by following Circular with Katie Treggiden in this app and leaving a review. All that good stuff tells the ‘algorithm Gods’ to show the podcast to more people, and that can only be a good thing, right?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Sign up for our my e-newsletter ‘&lt;i&gt;Weekly(ish) Musings for Curious, Imperfect and Stubbornly Optimistic Environmentalist&lt;/i&gt;s’ - just click &lt;a href="https://katietreggiden.com/" target="_blank"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;And find me on the Interwebs:  @katietreggiden (Twitter, TikTok), &amp; &lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/@katietreggiden3908"&gt;@katietreggiden3908&lt;/a&gt; (YouTube) &amp; &lt;a href="https://www.instagram.com/katietreggiden.1/" target="_blank"&gt;@katietreggiden.1&lt;/a&gt; (Instagram) – and if you’re a designer, maker, artist or craftsperson, join me on IG @making_design_circular_&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;About Katie:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Katie Treggiden is the founder and director of &lt;i&gt;Making Design Circular&lt;/i&gt; – an international membership community and online learning platform for environmentally conscious designers, makers artists and craftspeople. She is also an author, journalist and podcaster championing a hopeful approach to environmentalism. With more than 20 years' experience in the creative industries, she regularly contributes to publications such as &lt;i&gt;The Guardian, The Observer, Crafts Magazine &lt;/i&gt;and&lt;i&gt; Dezeen&lt;/i&gt;. She is currently exploring the question ‘Can craft save the world?’ through her sixth book, &lt;i&gt;Broken: Mending &amp; Repair in a Throwaway World&lt;/i&gt; (Ludion, 2023), this very podcast.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Get full access to Brackish at &lt;a href="https://brackishbykatietreggiden.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&amp;#38;utm_campaign=CTA_4"&gt;brackishbykatietreggiden.substack.com/subscribe&lt;/a&gt;</description>

In Conversation with...Tamu Thomas

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