Ilen Madhavji sits down with the 2023 winner of the HJD Book Award, Dr. Rohan Mukherjee, to discuss how rising powers seek status from the established international order, to reserve their seat at the table of power. Inspired by Dr. Mukherjee's award-winning book 'Ascending Order: Rising Powers and the Politics of Status in International Institutions", they explore how countries like China and India have been motivated by ascending the global order, benefitting from it, and not necessarily the desire to dismantle it. After listening, if you’re left with more questions than answers, or just want to say hello, please reach out to us at [email protected]. We would love to hear from you! This is a podcast created by The Hague Journal of Diplomacy: www.haguejournalofdiplomacy.org