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Adrian Wooldridge On Liberalism's Genius
MAY 8, 2026
Adrian Wooldridge On Liberalism's Genius
This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit <a href="https://andrewsullivan.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&#38;utm_campaign=CTA_7">andrewsullivan.substack.com</a><br/><br/><p>Adrian is a journalist and an old friend. We arrived in America on the same plane in 1984 and spent the first few days together in the same hotel room. After more than 20 years writing for The Economist, he became the global business columnist for Bloomberg Opinion. He’s the author of several books, including <em>The Aristocracy of Talent, </em>and the co-author of many more with John Micklethwait, including <em>The Right Nation</em>. Adrian’s new book is <a target="_blank" href="https://www.amazon.com/Revolutionary-Center-Liberalism-Created-Modern/dp/1639369376"><em>The Revolutionary Center</em></a><em>: The Lost Genius of Liberalism</em>. It’s a terrific tonic for a philosophy as vital as it is in eclipse.</p><p>For two clips of the episode — on how Enlightenment ideas got corrupted, and Big Tech’s threat to liberalism — head to <a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/user/DailyDishHosting/videos">our YouTube page</a>.</p><p>Other topics: raised in rural Shropshire; his parents both teachers; his dissertation on the 11-plus (an exam that changed my life); when IQ tests were a liberal cause; Luther and the Reformation; the religious civil wars leading to the Enlightenment; Hobbes as a proto-liberal; the humanism of Erasmus; Montesquieu and the <em>spirit</em> of liberalism; John Stuart Mill and utilitarianism; Isaiah Berlin and pluralism; Graham Wallas and the Great Society; Lippmann; Leo Strauss; Thatcherism; consumerism vs. self-improvement; meritocracy threatened by the left; Foucault’s folly; the EU and managerial liberalism; Brooks’ bobos; affirmative action and DEI; why liberal democracy in Iraq didn’t work; Oakeshott; Schmitt and friend-enemy; Trump’s stark illiberalism and neo-royalism; King Charles; Putin ushering in a strongman era; Biden’s open borders; the migration crisis and Brexit; the buffoonish Boris; the struggling Starmer; high culture and other upsides to elitism; <em>Abundance</em>; Deneen and post-liberalism; and Europe stepping up for Ukraine.</p><p>Browse the <a target="_blank" href="https://andrewsullivan.substack.com/p/dishcast-archive-70-episodes">Dishcast archive</a> for an episode you might enjoy. We have some real stars coming up: Ben Rhodes on Iran and speech-writing, Harvey Mansfield on modernity, HW Brands on the life of George Washington, John Gray on Trump’s new world, Bob Wright on the evolutionary force of AI, Tiffany Jenkins on privacy in a liberal democracy, Jerusalem Demsas on the state of the left, Daniel McCarthy on conservatism, Stephen Grosz on the struggles of love, and Robby George on pretty much everything. </p><p>Please send any guest recs, dissents, and other comments to <strong>[email protected]</strong>.</p>
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Tom Junod On Masculinity And His Dad
MAY 1, 2026
Tom Junod On Masculinity And His Dad
This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit <a href="https://andrewsullivan.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&#38;utm_campaign=CTA_7">andrewsullivan.substack.com</a><br/><br/><p>Tom is a journalist and author. A former staff writer at GQ and Esquire, the film <em>A Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood</em> was based on his Esquire article on Fred Rogers. He’s currently a senior writer at ESPN, and his <a target="_blank" href="https://www.amazon.com/Days-Youth-Told-What-Means/dp/0375400397">new memoir</a> is called <em>In the Days of My Youth I Was Told What It Means to Be a Man</em>. It was an intense conversation — about dads, sex, Catholicism, and growing older.</p><p>For two clips of the episode — on being your dad’s wingman as a kid, and the dark secrets that Catholic families often carry — head to <a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/user/DailyDishHosting/videos">our YouTube page</a>.</p><p>Other topics: his dad’s serious injury at Normandy; emulating leading men in Hollywood; selling women’s handbags; his extreme vanity and obsession with scents; “the first metrosexual”; women flocking to him; making Tom complicit in his countless affairs; how men benefitted from the early Sexual Revolution more than women; Vatican II; Tom’s close relationship with his Catholic mom; Tom fearing his dad; the friends who worshipped him like a celebrity; hiding his Brooklyn accent; hiding extreme porn and dildos in his briefcase that Tom found; sadomasochism and bondage; dad’s sleeping with both Zsa Zsa and Ava Gabor; a mystery mistress who spoke at his dad’s funeral; Tom’s grandmother who was a notorious adulteress in the press who pimped out Tom’s dad and his aunt; and the challenge of writing my own memoir.</p><p>Browse the <a target="_blank" href="https://andrewsullivan.substack.com/p/dishcast-archive-70-episodes">Dishcast archive</a> for an episode you might enjoy. We have some real stars coming up: Tiffany Jenkins on privacy in a liberal democracy, Adrian Wooldridge on “the lost genius of liberalism,” Jerusalem Demsas on the state of the left, Ben Rhodes on Iran and speech-writing, Harvey Mansfield on modernity, Daniel McCarthy on conservatism, HW Brands on the life of George Washington, John Gray on Trump’s new world, Bob Wright on the evolutionary force of AI, Stephen Grosz on the struggles of love, and Robby George on pretty much everything. </p><p>Please send any guest recs, dissents, and other comments to <strong>[email protected]</strong>. </p>
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Greg Lukianoff On Free Speech Fights
APR 24, 2026
Greg Lukianoff On Free Speech Fights
This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit <a href="https://andrewsullivan.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&#38;utm_campaign=CTA_7">andrewsullivan.substack.com</a><br/><br/><p>Greg is a lawyer, journalist, and author. He’s the president of FIRE — the best free-speech group out there. His books include <em>The Coddling of the American Mind</em> (written with Jonathan Haidt), <em>The Canceling of the American Mind</em> (written with Rikki Schlott), and <em>War On Words</em> (written with Nadine Strossen). You can find him on Substack at <a target="_blank" href="https://eternallyradicalidea.com/about">The Eternally Radical Idea</a>.</p><p>For two clips of our convo — on whether Biden or Trump has been worse on free speech, and how to decrease wokeness on campus — head to <a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/user/DailyDishHosting/videos">our YouTube page</a>.</p><p>Other topics: his Russian dad’s 100th birthday the day we taped; how he fled the Soviets as an orphan and came to America speaking 7 languages; his British mom coming over as a nanny; growing up among immigrants in Danbury as both a football player and nerd; studying 1st Amendment law at Stanford; the wane of gifted-and-talented programs (which Greg once taught); the declining support for free speech; family breakdown and protecting kids from bad speech; the perils of social media; race wars on X; censorship against porn and age-restriction laws; where Greg disagrees with Jon Haidt; free speech as a form of bullying; Nick Fuentes; how banning people from X increases groupthink; Jon Rauch; sex changes for kids; gay promiscuity; Covid censorship; AI worries; the killing of Charlie Kirk; the infamous Larry Bushart case; the Ozturk case; Rubio’s anti-speech crusade against immigrants; Israel and BDS; antisemitism on campus; heckling vs shout-downs; viewpoint diversity; the FCC and Carr; jawboning and merger threats; the Ellisons; Trump threatening law firms; “hate” crimes; mass arrests in UK over speech; the Varsity Blues cheating scandal; and South Park.</p><p>Browse the <a target="_blank" href="https://andrewsullivan.substack.com/p/dishcast-archive-70-episodes">Dishcast archive</a> for an episode you might enjoy. Coming up: Tom Junod on his dad and masculinity, Jerusalem Demsas on the state of the left, Tiffany Jenkins on privacy in a liberal democracy, Adrian Wooldridge on “the lost genius of liberalism,” HW Brands on the life of George Washington, Ben Rhodes on Iran, Harvey Mansfield on modernity, John Gray on Trump’s new world, and Robby George on everything. Please send any guest recs, dissents, and other comments to <strong>[email protected]</strong>.</p>
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37 MIN
Jeffrey Toobin On The Pardon Power
APR 17, 2026
Jeffrey Toobin On The Pardon Power
This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit <a href="https://andrewsullivan.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&#38;utm_campaign=CTA_7">andrewsullivan.substack.com</a><br/><br/><p>Jeff is a lawyer and a contributing opinion writer for the NYT, after a long run at The New Yorker and CNN. He has written many bestselling books, including <em>True Crimes and Misdemeanors</em>, <em>The Oath</em>, <em>The Nine</em>, and <em>Too Close to Call</em>. He appeared on the Dishcast in 2024 to talk <a target="_blank" href="https://andrewsullivan.substack.com/p/jeffrey-toobin-on-lawfare-and-scotus">lawfare</a>, and in this episode we discuss his latest book, <a target="_blank" href="https://www.amazon.com/Pardon-Politics-Presidential-Mercy/dp/1668084945"><em>The Pardon</em></a><em>: The Politics of Presidential Mercy</em>.</p><p>We recorded this episode a while back, and we’re posting it this week after Trump promised <a target="_blank" href="https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/trump-promises-mass-pardons-to-staff-before-leaving-office-d7274d32">mass pardons</a> for White House staffers before he leaves office. For two clips of our convo — on Biden’s corrupt pardons, and Trump’s obscene pardons — head to <a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/user/DailyDishHosting/videos">our YouTube page</a>.</p><p>Other topics: how pardons can be a beautiful act of mercy; the varying powers among the states; Lincoln’s amnesty for Confederate soldiers but not leaders; Andrew Johnson’s pardon for Jefferson Davis; Johnson’s impeachment; the thousand pardons of Rutherford B Hayes; Ford pardoning Nixon; Jimmy Carter pardoning resisters to the Vietnam War; the Willie Horton furlough and ad; HW’s pardons for Iran-Contra; Clinton pardoning his own brother and Marc Rich; Dubya’s refusal to pardon Scooter Libby against Cheney’s wishes; Dubya advising Obama to have a set protocol; Trump pardoning crooks like Charles Kushner and Paul Manafort who could have testified against him; the blanket pardon of January 6ers; Kim Kardashian’s role in Trump’s pardons; the ICE killings in Minneapolis; and the need for presidents with some basic virtue.</p><p>Browse the <a target="_blank" href="https://andrewsullivan.substack.com/p/dishcast-archive-70-episodes">Dishcast archive</a> for an episode you might enjoy. Coming up: Greg Lukianoff on free-speech fights, Jerusalem Demsas on the state of the left, Tiffany Jenkins on privacy in a liberal democracy, Adrian Wooldridge on “the lost genius of liberalism,” HW Brands on the life of George Washington, Ben Rhodes on foreign policy, and Tom Junod on his dad and masculinity. As always, please send any guest recs, dissents, and other comments to <strong>[email protected]</strong>.</p>
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27 MIN
Derek Thompson On Meaning In Our Web World
APR 10, 2026
Derek Thompson On Meaning In Our Web World
This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit <a href="https://andrewsullivan.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&#38;utm_campaign=CTA_7">andrewsullivan.substack.com</a><br/><br/><p>Derek Thompson is a long-time writer at The Atlantic. His books include <em>Hit Makers</em>, <em>On Work</em>, and <a target="_blank" href="https://www.amazon.com/Abundance-Progress-Takes-Ezra-Klein/dp/1668023482"><em>Abundance</em></a>, which he co-wrote with Ezra Klein. Derek also has an <a target="_blank" href="https://www.derekthompson.org/">excellent substack</a> and hosts a podcast called “Plain English.”</p><p>This episode was recorded on March 17. For two clips — on the impact of <em>Abundance</em>, and the difference between being alone and anti-social — head to <a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/user/DailyDishHosting/videos">our YouTube page</a>.</p><p>Other topics: growing up near DC; theater his first love; the two of us trading stories of stage acting; pursuing journalism after 9/11; how writing has evolved in the 21st century; conspiracy theories online; AI creating doubt; strategizing the <em>Abundance</em> book; <em>Virtually Normal</em>; books as totems; blue vs red city governance; housing deregulation; “procedural fetish” vs Trumpian chaos; government spurring innovation; Derek’s piece “<a target="_blank" href="https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2025/02/american-loneliness-personality-politics/681091/">The Anti-Social Century</a>”; OnlyFans; looking at smartphones in a gay bar; Kierkegaard; Camus; tradition as a ballast; meaning through limits; fatherhood; Hegseth reveling in dominance; Nietzsche; the tribalism of early humans; wokeness and the Trump cult; liquid modernity; consumerism replacing meaning; the fertility crisis; the growing dominance of Orthodox Jews in Israel; and Oakeshott and infinite games of non-winning.</p><p>Browse the <a target="_blank" href="https://andrewsullivan.substack.com/p/dishcast-archive-70-episodes">Dishcast archive</a> for an episode you might enjoy. Coming up: Jeffrey Toobin on the pardon power, Tiffany Jenkins on privacy in a liberal democracy, Adrian Wooldridge on “the lost genius of liberalism,” HW Brands on the life of George Washington; Greg Lukianoff on free speech, and Tom Junod on his memoir and masculinity. As always, please send any guest recs, dissents, and other comments to <strong>[email protected]</strong>.</p>
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36 MIN