<p>In this episode of <em>MSP 1337</em>, Chris Johnson sits down with Jim Harryman to break down why passing audits doesn’t equal real security, and why MSPs get into trouble when frameworks turn into checklists.</p><p>Drawing from firsthand experience with SOC 2 Type 2, CIS Controls, and the GTIA Cybersecurity Trustmark, Jim shares practical lessons on evidence quality, shared responsibility, inherited security, and the dangers of assumptions. They unpack why SOC 2 excels at governance but leaves technical gaps, why CIS is the most effective starting point for MSPs and their clients, and how Trustmark helps operationalize governance for MSP-specific realities.</p><p>The discussion tackles common traps—template-driven compliance, perfection paralysis, and tool-chasing—and replaces them with a disciplined, momentum-driven approach focused on outcomes, accountability, and continuous validation. From third-party vendor management to proof over screenshots, this episode is a reality check for MSPs trying to balance assurance, security, and business growth.</p><p>If you’re relying on audits for peace of mind, or struggling to turn compliance into real-world resilience, this episode will reset how you think about frameworks, governance, and what “good” actually looks like.</p><p>Learn more about Trustmark: <strong>gtia.org/Trustmark</strong></p>