Subscribe here to Inside Call me Back ------- Please take 5 minutes to fill out Ark Media’s LISTENER SURVEY ____ How did the oppressive Ayatollah regime convince the Western left that they’re the victims? Dan speaks with Iranian-American lawyer and activist Elica Le Bon about the ideological narratives that form (and distort) the West’s reaction to the Iran war. Le Bon explains the deep divide between the Iranian people and the Islamic regime, the cycles of protests and repression, the imperialist roots of the regime’s long-standing obsession with Israel, and the Marxist prism through which the Western left understands the conflict. In this episode: 06:30 – Elica Le Bon’s family story and the legacy of the 1979 revolution 07:45 – Life under the Islamic regime and the experience of repression 11:05 – The gap between the Iranian people and the regime ruling them 14:42 – Why the Iranian regime sees Israel as central to its ideology 20:32 – How ideological narratives in the West shape perceptions of the war 23:42 – The “mind virus” of anti-Western and anti-Zionist thinking 26:46 – Protest movements inside Iran and the risks people face 31:04 – What a post-regime Iran could mean for the Middle East and the world Listen to the latest episode of For Heaven’s Sake. More Ark Media: Want to join Ark Media? Check out our careers page for new openings. Explore Israel Votes Listen to For Heaven's Sake Listen to What’s Your Number? Watch Call me Back on YouTube Newsletters | Ark Media | Amit Segal | Nadav Eyal Instagram | Ark Media | Dan X | Dan Dan Senor & Saul Singer’s book, The Genius of Israel Get in touch Credits: Ilan Benatar, Adaam James Levin-Areddy, Brittany Cohen, Ava Weiner, Martin Huergo, Mariangeles Burgos, and Patricio Spadavecchia, Yuval Semo