In this episode, Neha speaks to Steve Graef, a counseling psychologist with specific expertise in sport and performance psychology. Neha digs into Steve’s background, how he came to found Mindurance, and how he continues to use his guiding principle – LEGS – in his life and work. Their conversation considers both the theoretical and practical aspects of choosing to “dance” on your own terms. A thoroughly engaging, “excellently average” episode, we hope you find it insightful and enjoyable! Steve and Neha reference Tim Ferriss’ The 4-Hour Workweek a couple of times during their conversation Details of that book are Ferriss, T. (2007). The 4-hour workweek: Escape 9-5, live anywhere, and join the new rich. Crown Publishing Group. Steve also mentions his past experience with Gestalt training, including “polarities.” If you wish to read a bit more about such polarities, I suggest the following: Maurer, R. (2002). Managing polarities: An interview with Barry Johnson, Ph.D. Gestalt Review 6(3), 209-219. Reach out to Dr Steve Graef via https://www.linkedin.com/in/drstevegraef/  or follow him on Instagram https://linktr.ee/minduranceAs always please send your feedback to [email protected] Enjoy this episode!