And That's That On That
Haley Chapman, Gavyn Bailey
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This week, Haley and Gavyn sit down with artist and songwriter manager, A&R, founder of The Arena Music, and—once upon a time—Gavyn’s boss, Jared Kaner. They get into the wild reality of the music business and how Jared went from selling houses to working behind the scenes on global hits for artists like 5 Seconds of Summer, David Guetta, Galantis, Alan Walker, and more.
If you’re an aspiring artist, songwriter, producer, or future manager, this episode is basically a free masterclass. Jared breaks down what it really takes to build a career in today’s industry, sharing the advice he wishes he had starting out.
And because we can’t resist, we also drag Jared through our favorite recurring segments. Spoiler: he’s officially over Labubus.
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Audio Editing/Engineering by Gavyn Bailey
Produced by Gavyn Bailey and Haley Chapman
Music:
“Golden Hour” – Ariel Shalom
“Good Vibe” – Alex MakeMusic
And That's That On That contains music licensed from Artlist.io for use in this podcast. All rights reserved to the original artists and copyright holders.
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Happy Holidays and Happy Thanksgiving to our beautiful listeners! This week, Haley and Gavyn gather around the proverbial Thanksgiving table for a cozy holiday episode. They take a trip down memory lane and revisit old episodes in a rebranded “Into It and Over It,” now appropriately titled “It’s Giving Thanks… or No Thanks.” They dive into everything they’re genuinely grateful for this year, along with the things that are… respectfully not invited to the feast.
Between the gratitude, they fall right back into their regularly scheduled yap sesh: Haley shares a backhanded “compliment” she received while getting Botox and a run-in with a heroic Postmates driver. Meanwhile, Gavyn fights for that title when he reveals his one-night-only career moment as a Postmates driver himself.
It’s nostalgic, it’s chaotic, it’s heartfelt...exactly the kind of mess you want in your ears this Thanksgiving. 🧡
Happy Thanksgiving from our family to yours!
xoxo,
Gavyn & Haley
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Credits:
Audio Editing/Engineering by Gavyn Bailey
Produced by Gavyn Bailey and Haley Chapman
Music:
BalloonPlanet - "Once Upon a Christmas Groove"
Rex Banner - "Silent Night"
And That's That On That contains music licensed from Artlist.io for use in this podcast. All rights reserved to the original artists and copyright holders.
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Breaking news! Gavyn finally left his apartment which means he and Haley are back in the same room for the first time in a year. Huge! They’re joined by the incredible artist/songwriter Debbii Dawson. They talk growing up in a musical family, her journey from AGT to today, building confidence onstage, and navigating the internet as an artist. This one is full of good tea.
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Credits:
Audio Editing/Engineering by Gavyn Bailey
Produced by Gavyn Bailey and Haley Chapman
Music:
“Golden Hour” – Ariel Shalom
“Good Vibe” – Alex MakeMusic
And That's That On That contains music licensed from Artlist.io for use in this podcast. All rights reserved to the original artists and copyright holders.
Chapters:
00:00 Intro
13:40 Welcome Debbii Dawson
13:55 Pit & Peak
21:40 America’s Got Talent
23:57 Musical Upbringings and Influences
28:36 Debbii’s New Era
31:00 "I Want You”
32:12 Reality of the Music Industry
34:21 Achieving Confidence
39:40 Touring
42:56 Into It & Over It
50:00 Decoding Dreams & Hallucinations
1:00:26 Unpopular Opinions
1:02:36 Final Question and Closing
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Guess who actually showed up two weeks in a row? (Miracles do happen.) In this episode, Haley takes us through the iOS update from hell, a laundry room run-in with a shirtless short king (that nearly ended in disaster), and why turning 30 might just be the glow-up she’s been waiting for. Gavyn dishes on Binx the cat's sudden Prozac prescription, surviving back-to-back infections, and booking a full East Coast trip while dragging a dialysis machine along for the ride.
We also get into why Gavyn is convinced there is a ghost in his apartment, Haley’s birthday party planning stress, and our very serious analysis of why McDonald’s sodas somehow feel like they’re ripping the flesh straight off your esophagus (and why we love it anyway). xoxo, Gavyn & Haley
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Audio Editing/Engineering by Gavyn Bailey
Produced by Gavyn Bailey and Haley Chapman
And That's That On That contains music licensed from Artlist.io for use in this podcast. All rights reserved to the original artists and copyright holders.
You guys… we’re embarrassed (monkey covering eye emoji)… We didn’t mean to take another hiatus. But what matters is we’re back and this time, we’re here to stay. We SWEAR!
On this week’s solo episode, we cover everything from men’s Instagram reel activities and AI boyfriends, to eczema where the light don’t shine and… something about an Etsy witch. Our antics have never been more unstable. Buckle up and join us.. we promise we’re not going anywhere!
xoxo, Gavyn & Haley
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Audio Editing/Engineering by Gavyn Bailey
Produced by Gavyn Bailey and Haley Chapman