LUKE KEMP: Will our global civilisation go the way of the Roman Empire?

NOV 5, 202474 MIN
Wild with Sarah Wilson

LUKE KEMP: Will our global civilisation go the way of the Roman Empire?

NOV 5, 202474 MIN

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<p>Luke&nbsp;Kemp&nbsp;(historical collapse expert; associate at the Centre for the Study of Existential Risk) has studied past civilisations and mapped out a picture of how long they tend to last before they collapse, what tends to tip them and what (if anything) can be done to stall their demise.&nbsp;Luke&nbsp;works alongside Lord Martin Rees and Yuval Noah Harari, is an honorary lecturer in environmental policy at the Australian National University and his collapse insights have been covered by the BBC, the&nbsp;<em>New York Times</em>&nbsp;and the&nbsp;<em>New Yorker</em>. His first book,<em>&nbsp;'Goliath's Curse: The History and Future of Societal Collaps</em>e'&nbsp;will be published in June 2025. </p><br><p>In this episode I get&nbsp;Luke&nbsp;to provide a bit of a 101 on how civilisations do indeed decline and perish and to update us on the latest theories on how and whether ours might make it through. The answer is surprising.</p><br><p>SHOW NOTES</p><p>Here’s&nbsp;Luke’s original&nbsp;<a href="https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20190218-are-we-on-the-road-to-civilisation-collapse" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">report</a>&nbsp;on complex civilisation’s lifespans.</p><p>Keep up to date with Luke's work <a href="https://x.com/lukakemp" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">here</a></p><p>A few past Wild guests are referenced by&nbsp;Luke. You can catch the episode on Moloch with Liv Boeree <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/liv-boeree-explaining-moloch-the-mysterious-game/id1548626341?i=1000650530094" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">here</a>, the interview with <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/ee/podcast/adam-mastroianni-do-we-need-to-make-the-world-great/id1548626341?i=1000629242507" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Adam Mastroianni here</a> and my chat with Nate Hagens <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/nate-hagens-on-the-great-simplification/id1548626341?i=1000630076342" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">here</a></p><p>The first chapter of my book serialisation – about hope – is available to everyone here</p><p>And&nbsp;<a href="https://sarahwilson.substack.com/p/how-does-the-climate-crisis-rogue?r=my46l&amp;utm_campaign=post&amp;utm_medium=web&amp;triedRedirect=true" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">here</a>&nbsp;are the&nbsp;<a href="https://sarahwilson.substack.com/p/how-does-the-climate-crisis-rogue?r=my46l&amp;utm_campaign=post&amp;utm_medium=web&amp;triedRedirect=true" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">two</a>&nbsp;chapters that I reference at the end</p><br><p>--</p><br><p>If you need to know a bit more about me… head to my "<a href="http://www.sarahwilson.com/about" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">about</a>" page</p><p>For more such conversations subscribe to my<a href="https://sarahwilson.substack.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> Substack newsletter</a>, it’s where I interact the most!</p><p>Get your copy of my book,<a href="https://amzn.to/3vs3tf2" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> This One Wild and Precious Life</a></p><p>Let’s connect on<a href="http://www.instagram.com/_sarahwilson_" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> Instagram</a></p><br><p>If you need to know a bit more about me… head to my "<a href="http://www.sarahwilson.com/about" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">about</a>" page</p><p>For more such conversations subscribe to my<a href="https://sarahwilson.substack.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> Substack newsletter</a>, it’s where I interact the most!</p><p>Get your copy of my book,<a href="https://amzn.to/3vs3tf2" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> This One Wild and Precious Life</a></p><p>Let’s connect on<a href="http://www.instagram.com/_sarahwilson_" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"> Instagram</a></p><br /><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>