<p>In this episode, Whitney talks to Stavroula Pabst about the reconstruction efforts in Ukraine and how much of Ukraine's government and infrastructure has been outsourced or sold off to Western corporations that are using the country as a testbed for 4IR technologies.</p>
<p><strong><a target="_blank" rel="noopener" href="https://unlimitedhangout.com/2023/05/resources/show-notes/the-new-ukraine/">Show notes</a></strong></p>
<p>Follow Stavroula: <a target="_blank" rel="noopener" href="https://twitter.com/stavroulapabst">@stavroulapabst</a> and <a target="_blank" rel="noopener" href="https://stavroulapabst.substack.com/">Substack</a></p>
<p>Originally published 05/11/23.</p>
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