<p>This week, Robbie and Chuck talk with Chris Coyier about the complexities of open-source, balancing community contributions with monetization, the quirks of modern web development, and creative approaches to building sustainable tech projects.</p>
<p>In this episode:</p>
<ul>
<li>(00:00) Intro</li>
<li>(01:02) Podcast recording and All Things Open</li>
<li>(04:10) Wine tasting: Brunello di Montalcino Annata 2018</li>
<li>(04:41) CSS and styling challenges</li>
<li>(11:02) Open source licensing</li>
<li>(22:24) Feature flags and pricing models</li>
<li>(27:28) 90s nostalgia</li>
<li>(32:19) Is open source worth it?</li>
<li>(39:53) Why dev hiring is broken</li>
<li>(45:21) Famous forks</li>
<li>(49:26) WordPress drama</li>
<li>(54:58) Plugs</li>
</ul>
<a rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"></a>Links
<ul>
<li>RodeCaster Pro II: <a href="https://rode.com/en-us/interfaces-and-mixers/-" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://rode.com/en-us/interfaces-and-mixers/-</a> rodecaster-series/rodecaster-pro-ii/</li>
<li>All Things Open: <a href="https://2024.allthingsopen.org/" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://2024.allthingsopen.org/</a></li>
<li>ShopTalk Show: <a href="https://shoptalkshow.com/" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://shoptalkshow.com/</a></li>
<li>Audigo: <a href="https://www.audigolabs.com/" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.audigolabs.com/</a></li>
<li>Shepherd: <a href="https://www.shepherdjs.dev/" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.shepherdjs.dev/</a></li>
<li>CodePen: <a href="https://codepen.io/" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://codepen.io/</a></li>
<li>Intro.js: <a href="https://introjs.com/" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://introjs.com/</a></li>
<li>Supabase: <a href="https://supabase.com" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://supabase.com</a></li>
<li>PostHog: <a href="https://posthog.com/" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://posthog.com/</a></li>
<li>Sentry: <a href="https://Sentry.io/" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://Sentry.io/</a></li>
<li>LaunchDarkly: <a href="https://launchdarkly.com/" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://launchdarkly.com/</a></li>
<li>Nirvana: <a href="https://www.nirvana.com/" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.nirvana.com/</a></li>
<li>Kurt Cobain: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Cobain/" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Cobain/</a></li>
<li>Pearl Jam: <a href="https://pearljam.com/" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://pearljam.com/</a></li>
<li>Coldplay: <a href="https://www.coldplay.com/" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.coldplay.com/</a></li>
<li>Phish: <a href="https://phish.com/" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://phish.com/</a></li>
<li>Ray LaMontagne: <a href="https://www.raylamontagne.com/" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.raylamontagne.com/</a></li>
<li>Ember: <a href="https://emberjs.com" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://emberjs.com</a></li>
<li>LeetCode: <a href="https://leetcode.com/" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://leetcode.com/</a></li>
<li>Homebrew: <a href="https://brew.sh/" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://brew.sh/</a></li>
<li>Adam Argyle: <a href="https://x.com/argyleink/" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://x.com/argyleink/</a></li>
<li>Wufoo: <a href="https://www.wufoo.com/" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.wufoo.com/</a></li>
<li>CodeCrafters: <a href="https://codecrafters.io/" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://codecrafters.io/</a></li>
<li>PearAI: <a href="https://trypear.ai/" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://trypear.ai/</a></li>
<li>Godot: <a href="https://godotengine.org/" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://godotengine.org/</a></li>
<li>iojs: <a href="https://github.com/nodejs/iojs.org/" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://github.com/nodejs/iojs.org/</a></li>
<li>WordPress: <a href="https://wordpress.org" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wordpress.org</a></li>
<li>Matt Mullenweg: <a href="https://x.com/photomatt/" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://x.com/photomatt/</a></li>
<li>Jetpack: <a href="https://jetpack.com/" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://jetpack.com/</a></li>
<li>Astro: <a href="https://astro.build/" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://astro.build/</a></li>
<li>DHH: <a href="https://x.com/dhh/" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://x.com/dhh/</a></li>
</ul>
<a rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"></a>Connect with Chris
<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://chriscoyier.net/" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://chriscoyier.net/</a></li>
<li>X / Twitter: <a href="https://x.com/chriscoyier" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://x.com/chriscoyier</a></li>
<li>CodePen: <a href="https://codepen.io/" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://codepen.io/</a></li>
</ul>
<a rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"></a>Connect with Chuck and Robbie
<ul>
<li>Robbie Wagner: <a href="https://x.com/RobbieTheWagner" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://x.com/RobbieTheWagner</a></li>
<li>Chuck Carpenter: <a href="https://x.com/CharlesWthe3rd" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://x.com/CharlesWthe3rd</a></li>
</ul>
<a rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"></a>Subscribe and stay in touch
<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://whiskey.fm" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://whiskey.fm</a></li>
<li>Apple Podcasts: <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/whiskey-web-and-whatnot/id1552776603" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/whiskey-web-and-whatnot/id1552776603</a></li>
<li>Spotify: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/19jiuHAqzeKnkleQUpZxDf" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://open.spotify.com/show/19jiuHAqzeKnkleQUpZxDf</a></li>
<li>Overcast: <a href="https://overcast.fm/itunes1552776603" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://overcast.fm/itunes1552776603</a></li>
<li>YouTube: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@WhiskeyWebAndWhatnot" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/@WhiskeyWebAndWhatnot</a></li>
</ul>
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Whiskey Web and Whatnot: Web Development, Neat

RobbieTheWagner and Charles William Carpenter III

Open-Source Ethics and Monetization with Chris Coyier

NOV 28, 202456 MIN
Whiskey Web and Whatnot: Web Development, Neat

Open-Source Ethics and Monetization with Chris Coyier

NOV 28, 202456 MIN

Description

<p>This week, Robbie and Chuck talk with Chris Coyier about the complexities of open-source, balancing community contributions with monetization, the quirks of modern web development, and creative approaches to building sustainable tech projects.</p> <p>In this episode:</p> <ul> <li>(00:00) Intro</li> <li>(01:02) Podcast recording and All Things Open</li> <li>(04:10) Wine tasting: Brunello di Montalcino Annata 2018</li> <li>(04:41) CSS and styling challenges</li> <li>(11:02) Open source licensing</li> <li>(22:24) Feature flags and pricing models</li> <li>(27:28) 90s nostalgia</li> <li>(32:19) Is open source worth it?</li> <li>(39:53) Why dev hiring is broken</li> <li>(45:21) Famous forks</li> <li>(49:26) WordPress drama</li> <li>(54:58) Plugs</li> </ul> <a rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"></a>Links <ul> <li>RodeCaster Pro II: <a href="https://rode.com/en-us/interfaces-and-mixers/-" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://rode.com/en-us/interfaces-and-mixers/-</a> rodecaster-series/rodecaster-pro-ii/</li> <li>All Things Open: <a href="https://2024.allthingsopen.org/" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://2024.allthingsopen.org/</a></li> <li>ShopTalk Show: <a href="https://shoptalkshow.com/" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://shoptalkshow.com/</a></li> <li>Audigo: <a href="https://www.audigolabs.com/" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.audigolabs.com/</a></li> <li>Shepherd: <a href="https://www.shepherdjs.dev/" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.shepherdjs.dev/</a></li> <li>CodePen: <a href="https://codepen.io/" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://codepen.io/</a></li> <li>Intro.js: <a href="https://introjs.com/" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://introjs.com/</a></li> <li>Supabase: <a href="https://supabase.com" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://supabase.com</a></li> <li>PostHog: <a href="https://posthog.com/" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://posthog.com/</a></li> <li>Sentry: <a href="https://Sentry.io/" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://Sentry.io/</a></li> <li>LaunchDarkly: <a href="https://launchdarkly.com/" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://launchdarkly.com/</a></li> <li>Nirvana: <a href="https://www.nirvana.com/" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.nirvana.com/</a></li> <li>Kurt Cobain: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Cobain/" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Cobain/</a></li> <li>Pearl Jam: <a href="https://pearljam.com/" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://pearljam.com/</a></li> <li>Coldplay: <a href="https://www.coldplay.com/" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.coldplay.com/</a></li> <li>Phish: <a href="https://phish.com/" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://phish.com/</a></li> <li>Ray LaMontagne: <a href="https://www.raylamontagne.com/" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.raylamontagne.com/</a></li> <li>Ember: <a href="https://emberjs.com" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://emberjs.com</a></li> <li>LeetCode: <a href="https://leetcode.com/" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://leetcode.com/</a></li> <li>Homebrew: <a href="https://brew.sh/" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://brew.sh/</a></li> <li>Adam Argyle: <a href="https://x.com/argyleink/" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://x.com/argyleink/</a></li> <li>Wufoo: <a href="https://www.wufoo.com/" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.wufoo.com/</a></li> <li>CodeCrafters: <a href="https://codecrafters.io/" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://codecrafters.io/</a></li> <li>PearAI: <a href="https://trypear.ai/" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://trypear.ai/</a></li> <li>Godot: <a href="https://godotengine.org/" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://godotengine.org/</a></li> <li>iojs: <a href="https://github.com/nodejs/iojs.org/" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://github.com/nodejs/iojs.org/</a></li> <li>WordPress: <a href="https://wordpress.org" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wordpress.org</a></li> <li>Matt Mullenweg: <a href="https://x.com/photomatt/" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://x.com/photomatt/</a></li> <li>Jetpack: <a href="https://jetpack.com/" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://jetpack.com/</a></li> <li>Astro: <a href="https://astro.build/" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://astro.build/</a></li> <li>DHH: <a href="https://x.com/dhh/" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://x.com/dhh/</a></li> </ul> <a rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"></a>Connect with Chris <ul> <li>Website: <a href="https://chriscoyier.net/" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://chriscoyier.net/</a></li> <li>X / Twitter: <a href="https://x.com/chriscoyier" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://x.com/chriscoyier</a></li> <li>CodePen: <a href="https://codepen.io/" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://codepen.io/</a></li> </ul> <a rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"></a>Connect with Chuck and Robbie <ul> <li>Robbie Wagner: <a href="https://x.com/RobbieTheWagner" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://x.com/RobbieTheWagner</a></li> <li>Chuck Carpenter: <a href="https://x.com/CharlesWthe3rd" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://x.com/CharlesWthe3rd</a></li> </ul> <a rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"></a>Subscribe and stay in touch <ul> <li>Website: <a href="https://whiskey.fm" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" 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Help support us by picking up some of our fresh merch at <a href="https://whiskey.fund" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://whiskey.fund</a>.</p>