Not in Heaven
Not in Heaven

Not in Heaven

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A weekly podcast about Judaism in the 2020s—because the Torah was left for us to figure out on the ground. Sublime and irreverent conversations about the present and future of communal, religious and spiritual life, led by Avi Finegold, Yedida Eisenstat and Matthew Leibl.

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Cities are shying away from foreign flag raisings. But is it really a victory for Canadian Jews?
APR 23, 2026
Cities are shying away from foreign flag raisings. But is it really a victory for Canadian Jews?
<p>Yom ha-Atzmaut is in the air: circle dancing, falafels, inexplicable inflatable squeaky plastic hammers and, of course, Israeli flags galore.</p> <p>But this year’s Israeli Independence Day may be the final time the old <em>kachol v’lavan</em> is hoisted up the flagpole in front of Toronto’s City Hall.</p> <p>Ceremonial flag raising began as a way for public institutions to spotlight local communities’ heritages and celebrate the bonds of friendship between nations. But, like all good things, it didn’t last.</p> <p>For years, the questions of which local politicians did or did not show up to which particular flag raising grew into a perpetual fuel for outrage, purity tests and catalyst for demonstrations. Then, last November, Jewish organizations and activists across Canada strenuously campaigned and mounted legal challenges against municipalities raising the Palestinian flag in the wake of recognition of the state by the federal government.</p> <p>Now, municipalities are throwing up their hands. Calgary and Toronto have both passed legislation ending all ceremonial flag raising; no Palestine, no Israel, no Brazil, no one.</p> <p>This week on <em>Not in Heaven</em>, our rabbi podcasters ask: Should this be seen as a win? Was it worth it? What do we get when public institutions celebrate our particular nationalities, and is it worth the trouble?</p> <p><strong>Credits</strong></p> <ul> <li><strong>Hosts:</strong> Avi Finegold, Yedida Eisenstat, Matthew Leibl</li> <li><strong>Production team:</strong> Zachary Judah Kauffman (editor), Michael Fraiman (executive producer), Alicia Richler (editorial director)</li> <li><strong>Music:</strong> Socalled</li> </ul> <p><strong>Support The CJN</strong></p> <ul> <li><a href="https://thecjn.ca/newsletters/" rel="nofollow">Subscribe to The CJN newsletter</a></li> <li><a href="https://thecjn.ca/donate/" rel="nofollow">Donate to The CJN</a> (+ get a charitable tax receipt)</li> <li><a href="https://pnc.st/s/not-in-heaven" rel="nofollow">Subscribe to <em>Not in Heaven</em></a> (Not sure how? <a href="https://thecjn.ca/arts/podcast-how-to/" rel="nofollow">Click here</a> )</li> </ul>
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Holocaust education isn’t coming to save us
APR 16, 2026
Holocaust education isn’t coming to save us
<p>What moral lessons should we take from the Holocaust? In 1998, the late Israeli Holocaust historian Yehuda Bauer told the Bundestag about the three additional commandments the world had learned in the wake of the Shoah: “Thou shalt not be a perpetrator; thou shalt not be a victim; and thou shalt never, but never, be a bystander.”</p> <p>The first, &quot;never be a perpetrator,&quot; was embraced most strongly by the Jewish left. The second, &quot;never be a victim,&quot; became a <em>raison d'etre</em> of the Jewish right. But the message with the largest purchase on civic institutions—within and beyond the Jewish community—was the third, &quot;never be a bystander,&quot; underlying school curricula, public museums, and national monuments.</p> <p>How Holocaust education shapes young people’s views on Jews and Israel was ignited in recent months by the author and former White House speechwriter Sarah Hurwitz. “Holocaust education is absolutely essential,&quot; she said onstage at the opening session of the General Assembly of Jewish Federations of North America. &quot;But I think it may be confusing some of our young people about antisemitism, because they learn about big, strong Nazis hurting weak, emaciated Jews.... So when on TikTok, all day long, they see powerful Israelis hurting weak, skinny Palestinians, it’s not surprising that they think, ‘Oh, I know the lesson of the Holocaust is you fight Israel. You fight the big, powerful people hurting the weak people.’”</p> <p>Today on <em>Not in Heaven</em>, our hosts discuss the messages of Holocaust education, whether the moral lessons we draw from the Holocaust are too binary—powerful vs. powerless, oppressor vs. oppressed—and if Holocaust education should be seen as a tool for advancing a modern social agenda at all.</p> <p><strong>Credits</strong></p> <ul> <li><strong>Hosts:</strong> Avi Finegold, Yedida Eisenstat, Matthew Leibl</li> <li><strong>Production team:</strong> Zachary Judah Kauffman (editor), Michael Fraiman (executive producer)</li> <li><strong>Music:</strong> Socalled</li> </ul> <p><strong>Support The CJN</strong></p> <ul> <li><a href="https://thecjn.ca/newsletters/" rel="nofollow">Subscribe to The CJN newsletter</a></li> <li><a href="https://thecjn.ca/donate/" rel="nofollow">Donate to The CJN</a> (+ get a charitable tax receipt)</li> <li><a href="https://pnc.st/s/not-in-heaven" rel="nofollow">Subscribe to <em>Not in Heaven</em></a> (Not sure how? <a href="https://thecjn.ca/arts/podcast-how-to/" rel="nofollow">Click here</a> )</li> </ul>
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The fifth annual Great Canadian Seder
MAR 31, 2026
The fifth annual Great Canadian Seder
<p>For some reason, the number &quot;five&quot; feels particularly weighty—and so it's with great pride that we bring you the fifth annual Great Canadian Seder. For those new to this tradition, every Passover, the team at The CJN collects stories, memories, musings, songs and reflections about the holiday from notable, fascinating and well-known Canadians. This year, you'll hear from:</p> <ul> <li>Jordi Mand, writer for theatre, TV and film</li> <li>Jared Lindzon, CJN podcaster and author of <em>Do More in Four: Why It's Time for a Shorter Workweek</em></li> <li>Alicia Richler, editorial director, The CJN</li> <li>Ayelet Tsabari, award-winning author</li> <li>Rabbi Carnie Rose, senior rabbi of Congregation Shaarey Zedek in Winnipeg</li> <li>Martin Rutte, international speaker and consultant</li> <li>Rabbi Laura Duhan-Kaplan, dean of ALEPH Ordination Program</li> <li>Ben Carr, Member of Parliament, Winnipeg South Centre</li> <li>Jess Grossman, founder of Uncover Ostomy</li> <li>Yafa Sakkejha, CJN podcaster and leader of Canadian Friends of Standing Together</li> <li>Niki Landau, conflict management specialist</li> <li>Miriam Borden, scholar and researcher of Yiddish Studies</li> <li>Lorie Wolf, musician and band leader, Queen Kong</li> </ul> <p><strong>Credits</strong></p> <ul> <li><strong>Hosts:</strong> Avi Finegold, Yedida Eisenstat, Matthew Leibl</li> <li><strong>Production team:</strong> Zachary Judah Kauffman (editor), Michael Fraiman (executive producer)</li> <li><strong>Music:</strong> Socalled</li> </ul> <p><strong>Support The CJN</strong></p> <ul> <li><a href="https://thecjn.ca/newsletters/" rel="nofollow">Subscribe to The CJN newsletter</a></li> <li><a href="https://thecjn.ca/donate/" rel="nofollow">Donate to The CJN</a> (+ get a charitable tax receipt)</li> <li><a href="https://pnc.st/s/not-in-heaven" rel="nofollow">Subscribe to <em>Not in Heaven</em></a> (Not sure how? <a href="https://thecjn.ca/arts/podcast-how-to/" rel="nofollow">Click here</a> )</li> </ul>
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79 MIN