Puppet director James Ortiz (Project Hail Mary) joins to share the downsides of making niche musical theater jokes, working with the gorgeous Ryan Gosling, navigating your way through the small world of puppeteering, and why using the word “camp” to mean “bad” has gotta stop. Follow James Ortiz on ⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠ Watch James Ortiz as Rocky in Project Hail Mary, now available to stream For all the latest on James Ortiz, visit: https://www.jamesortiz.co/ -- The Downside is going on tour! See us live in Portland, Los Angeles, and San Diego. Get tickets: ⁠⁠https://gianmarcosoresi.com/downsidepodcast⁠⁠ -- The Downside with Gianmarco Soresi has a Patreon! Subscribe ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ for two bonus episodes every month and access to exclusive content! Follow Gianmarco Soresi on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TikTok⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Twitter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow Russell Daniels on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow the show on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TikTok⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Produced by Paige Asachika & Gianmarco Soresi Technical production by Ty Colgate Edited by Dave Columbo Special Thanks Tovah Silbermann Original music by⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠Douglas Goodhart⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices