In Part 2 of Bear Grease's Civil War series, host Clay Newcomb examines the rise of Abraham Lincoln, the secession of the Southern states, and the complicated legacy of Robert E. Lee. Alongside historian J.D. Hewitt of The History Underground, Clay explores the ideas, personalities, and decisions that pushed the nation toward its bloodiest conflict, and discovers that history's heroes and villains are often far more complicated than we remember. Fill out our listener survey for a chance to win $500 gift card to the MeatEater Store: themeateater.com/grease Thank you to our sponsor, Tecovas. If you have comments on the show, send us a note to
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