In this podcast episode our host, Dr Penelope Elix, sits down with Renee Thomson, a proud Wiradjuri woman. Renee has experience in policy, government and strategy, and an important story to share about her personal experience of institutional racism in the NSW health system. In this moving podcast, Renee shares her personal experience with the health system and the impact of institutional racism on Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander communities. “When she said, ‘take him to the hospital’, there was this unshakable pit in my stomach that I just thought ‘I don’t want to take him’.”