Chicago based poet, Campbell McGrath talks to me about the difference in reading verses watching a movie, gives writing advice, and reads some of his own poetry in this riveting episode. Nouns and Verbs: https://www.amazon.com/Nouns-Verbs-Campbell-McGrath-ebook/dp/B07BK5LS9Z/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3PW8A8HUNH709&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.1qfSeNSYOZIt05ulFxXyn8_QiiRzB0IM1EMEF4ozu53fbgNLbjTWy4_BIKSp62x2Ra10CGwyq-zxeuIZrFSbikDsos1HvSLU-V5dDhtUwJQ.tDt4u1FECtwGzgoBPhyKtjQVULMS3tZYIylp1UJGooQ&dib_tag=se&keywords=nouns+and+verbs+campbell&qid=1717712623&sprefix=nouns+and+verbs+campbel%2Caps%2C117&sr=8-1Ministry For The Future: https://www.amazon.com/Ministry-Future-Kim-Stanley-Robinson-ebook/dp/B084FY1NXB/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2V2P9SQSHKEGK&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.Re3SYiqyFGxiZtBOxzhisbBhZj8Hz9fPu0WeCqucDTXuqOlUaA96vPqH2JR92qcBjFCrsNmicWuypcBmmx-qu5KhNiLLbyZvQ_1HgxKFlJEJJzMCTFMWWJPxRmIwtPfh9op5p1A7UB0MSof_oesNqj5ud3Ia2mW1dr3MipgabSZoHgC4SZ8_SGOh12tAQdBa5l8vocsd3Ooo5JtL_sL_mPcYBx9Bn4qIyPa5Qrr8kvU.Sx9Yr4EHZOcyuHQDWt9rRe50S7vIat6l2tJ9SUOgKLY&dib_tag=se&keywords=ministry+for+the+future&qid=1717712638&sprefix=ministry+for+the+future%2Caps%2C101&sr=8-1