<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;As some of you&lt;/strong&gt; might know by now, I’m an avid reader of Cormac McCarthy. His books have meant—and still mean—a great deal to me, not just from an aesthetic perspective but on a deeper, existential level. So today, I’m honored to be speaking with one of the foremost scholars of McCarthy’s work: Steven Frye, Professor of American Literature and Chair of English at California State University, Bakersfield.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Our conversation delves into two of McCarthy’s most towering works: &lt;em&gt;Blood Meridian&lt;/em&gt;, with its bleak, violent world, and &lt;em&gt;The Road&lt;/em&gt;, a stripped-down, post-apocalyptic story centered on the bond between a father and son. Though these novels seem vastly different, they ask strikingly similar questions: Can decency survive in a world where power, destruction, and loss seem inevitable?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;We also explored&lt;/strong&gt; the concept of “weak theology” in McCarthy’s work—how can a God allow such evil to happen? In &lt;em&gt;The Road&lt;/em&gt;, McCarthy seems to ask whether the "fire" of human compassion can endure in a universe that offers nothing in return.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;McCarthy’s portrayal of the American West redefines the genre itself, moving beyond mythic heroism into existential struggle. &lt;em&gt;Blood Meridian&lt;/em&gt; forces us to confront the dark side of Enlightenment ideals, while &lt;em&gt;The Road&lt;/em&gt; suggests that even in a godless, ruined world, something resembling hope might persist—not through divine intervention, but through human love and sacrifice.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Steven Frye doesn’t let McCarthy’s characters rest in simple archetypes. He explores how figures like Judge Holden in &lt;em&gt;Blood Meridian&lt;/em&gt; embody a destructive force of total dominance and knowledge devoid of ethics. Yet Frye also points out how McCarthy creates space for resistance—even in the face of inevitable destruction. Is the kid’s defiance of Holden a doomed rebellion—or a glimmer of human decency that refuses to die?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Our discussion also&lt;/strong&gt; touched on McCarthy's more romantic vision of the West in &lt;em&gt;All the Pretty Horses&lt;/em&gt; and &lt;em&gt;The Crossing&lt;/em&gt;. We reflected on the impossibility of returning to an imagined past of purity and belonging, as McCarthy’s characters grapple with modernity’s harsh realities.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;If you enjoy today’s conversation, I highly recommend visiting Steven Frye’s website at &lt;a target="_blank" href="http://stevenfrye.org"&gt;stevenfrye.org&lt;/a&gt;, where you’ll find his writings. I also suggest checking out his novel, &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.amazon.com/Dogwood-Crossing-Steven-Frye/dp/0578598205/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=dogwood+crossing&amp;#38;qid=1636699852&amp;#38;sr=8-1"&gt;&lt;em&gt;Dogwood Crossing&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Tidigare avsnitt på temat&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Prenumerera eller stötta Rak höger&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;I takt med att fler &lt;/strong&gt;blir betalande prenumeranter har Rak höger kunnat expandera med fler skribenter och mer innehåll. Vi får inget presstöd, vi tar inte emot pengar från någon intresseorganisation eller lobbygrupp. Det är endast tack vare er prenumeranter vi kan fortsätta vara självständiga röster i en konform samtid. Så stort tack för att ni är med, utan er hade det inget av detta varit möjligt.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Den som vill stötta oss på andra sätt än genom en prenumeration får gärna göra det med Swish, Plusgiro, Bankgiro, &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=86DYNLHPAB5T8"&gt;Paypal&lt;/a&gt; eller &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://donorbox.org/stotta-oss"&gt;Donorbox&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Swishnummer: 123-027 60 89&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Plusgiro: 198 08 62-5&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Bankgiro: 5808-1837&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Utgivaren ansvarar inte för kommentarsfältet. (Myndigheten för press, radio och tv (MPRT) vill att jag skriver ovanstående för att visa att det inte är jag, utan den som kommenterar, som ansvarar för innehållet i det som skrivs i kommentarsfältet.)&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit &lt;a href="https://www.enrakhoger.se/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&amp;#38;utm_campaign=CTA_2"&gt;www.enrakhoger.se/subscribe&lt;/a&gt;</description>

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Is Cormac McCarthy a guide through the void? A Talk with Steven Frye

DEC 11, 202457 MIN
Rak höger med Ivar Arpi

Is Cormac McCarthy a guide through the void? A Talk with Steven Frye

DEC 11, 202457 MIN

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<p><strong>As some of you</strong> might know by now, I’m an avid reader of Cormac McCarthy. His books have meant—and still mean—a great deal to me, not just from an aesthetic perspective but on a deeper, existential level. So today, I’m honored to be speaking with one of the foremost scholars of McCarthy’s work: Steven Frye, Professor of American Literature and Chair of English at California State University, Bakersfield.</p><p>Our conversation delves into two of McCarthy’s most towering works: <em>Blood Meridian</em>, with its bleak, violent world, and <em>The Road</em>, a stripped-down, post-apocalyptic story centered on the bond between a father and son. Though these novels seem vastly different, they ask strikingly similar questions: Can decency survive in a world where power, destruction, and loss seem inevitable?</p><p><strong>We also explored</strong> the concept of “weak theology” in McCarthy’s work—how can a God allow such evil to happen? In <em>The Road</em>, McCarthy seems to ask whether the "fire" of human compassion can endure in a universe that offers nothing in return.</p><p>McCarthy’s portrayal of the American West redefines the genre itself, moving beyond mythic heroism into existential struggle. <em>Blood Meridian</em> forces us to confront the dark side of Enlightenment ideals, while <em>The Road</em> suggests that even in a godless, ruined world, something resembling hope might persist—not through divine intervention, but through human love and sacrifice.</p><p>Steven Frye doesn’t let McCarthy’s characters rest in simple archetypes. He explores how figures like Judge Holden in <em>Blood Meridian</em> embody a destructive force of total dominance and knowledge devoid of ethics. Yet Frye also points out how McCarthy creates space for resistance—even in the face of inevitable destruction. Is the kid’s defiance of Holden a doomed rebellion—or a glimmer of human decency that refuses to die?</p><p><strong>Our discussion also</strong> touched on McCarthy's more romantic vision of the West in <em>All the Pretty Horses</em> and <em>The Crossing</em>. We reflected on the impossibility of returning to an imagined past of purity and belonging, as McCarthy’s characters grapple with modernity’s harsh realities.</p><p>If you enjoy today’s conversation, I highly recommend visiting Steven Frye’s website at <a target="_blank" href="http://stevenfrye.org">stevenfrye.org</a>, where you’ll find his writings. I also suggest checking out his novel, <a target="_blank" href="https://www.amazon.com/Dogwood-Crossing-Steven-Frye/dp/0578598205/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=dogwood+crossing&#38;qid=1636699852&#38;sr=8-1"><em>Dogwood Crossing</em></a>.</p><p>Tidigare avsnitt på temat</p><p>Prenumerera eller stötta Rak höger</p><p><strong>I takt med att fler </strong>blir betalande prenumeranter har Rak höger kunnat expandera med fler skribenter och mer innehåll. Vi får inget presstöd, vi tar inte emot pengar från någon intresseorganisation eller lobbygrupp. Det är endast tack vare er prenumeranter vi kan fortsätta vara självständiga röster i en konform samtid. Så stort tack för att ni är med, utan er hade det inget av detta varit möjligt.</p><p>Den som vill stötta oss på andra sätt än genom en prenumeration får gärna göra det med Swish, Plusgiro, Bankgiro, <a target="_blank" href="https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=86DYNLHPAB5T8">Paypal</a> eller <a target="_blank" href="https://donorbox.org/stotta-oss">Donorbox</a>.</p><p>Swishnummer: 123-027 60 89</p><p>Plusgiro: 198 08 62-5</p><p>Bankgiro: 5808-1837</p><p><em>Utgivaren ansvarar inte för kommentarsfältet. (Myndigheten för press, radio och tv (MPRT) vill att jag skriver ovanstående för att visa att det inte är jag, utan den som kommenterar, som ansvarar för innehållet i det som skrivs i kommentarsfältet.)</em></p> <br/><br/>This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit <a href="https://www.enrakhoger.se/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&#38;utm_campaign=CTA_2">www.enrakhoger.se/subscribe</a>