<a target="_blank" href="https://www.buzzsprout.com/twilio/text_messages/1785403/open_sms">Send us a text</a>This episode features Josh Blum, Chris Stewart and John Vance.For Waldorf University Blue Card credit and discounts: <a href='https://www.waldorf.edu/blue-card/'>https://www.waldorf.edu/blue-card/</a> For free command and leadership support, check out bshifter.com Sign up for the B Shifter Buckslip, our free weekly newsletter here: <a href='https://lp.constantcontactpages.com/su/fmgs92N/Buckslip'>https://lp.constantcontactpages.com/su/fmgs92N/Buckslip</a> Shop B Shifter here: <a href='https://bshifter.myshopify.com/'>https://bshifter.myshopify.com</a> All of our links here: <a href='https://linktr.ee/BShifter'>https://linktr.ee/BShifter </a> Please subscribe and share. Thank you for listening!We challenge the way departments choose, vet, and apply training, separating hype from systems that improve outcomes. We show how to align classes with staffing, model procedures, and building realities, and how to turn outside lessons into standard practice without chaos. • lifelong learning mindset and clear standards • distinction between training skills and education why • vetting instructors and course foundations before purchase • handling self-funded training and knowledge reentry • engaging disengaged chiefs through lead-up conversations • top-down accountability for real participation in drills • limits of copying big brother departments and tactics • big box strategy focused on systems and risk management • practical RIT priorities: prevention, air, orientation, extrication • evidence-based command training and instructor credibility

<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.buzzsprout.com/twilio/text_messages/1785403/open_sms"&gt;Send us a text&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;This episode features Josh Blum, Chris Stewart and John Vance.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;For Waldorf University Blue Card credit and discounts: &lt;a href='https://www.waldorf.edu/blue-card/'&gt;https://www.waldorf.edu/blue-card/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;For free command and leadership support, check out bshifter.com&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Sign up for the B Shifter Buckslip, our free weekly newsletter here: &lt;a href='https://lp.constantcontactpages.com/su/fmgs92N/Buckslip'&gt;https://lp.constantcontactpages.com/su/fmgs92N/Buckslip&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Shop B Shifter here: &lt;a href='https://bshifter.myshopify.com/'&gt;https://bshifter.myshopify.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;All of our links here: &lt;a href='https://linktr.ee/BShifter'&gt;https://linktr.ee/BShifter&lt;br/&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Please subscribe and share. Thank you for listening!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;We challenge the way departments choose, vet, and apply training, separating hype from systems that improve outcomes. We show how to align classes with staffing, model procedures, and building realities, and how to turn outside lessons into standard practice without chaos.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;• lifelong learning mindset and clear standards&lt;br/&gt;• distinction between training skills and education why&lt;br/&gt;• vetting instructors and course foundations before purchase&lt;br/&gt;• handling self-funded training and knowledge reentry&lt;br/&gt;• engaging disengaged chiefs through lead-up conversations&lt;br/&gt;• top-down accountability for real participation in drills&lt;br/&gt;• limits of copying big brother departments and tactics&lt;br/&gt;• big box strategy focused on systems and risk management&lt;br/&gt;• practical RIT priorities: prevention, air, orientation, extrication&lt;br/&gt;• evidence-based command training and instructor credibility&lt;/p&gt;</description>

Send us a text This episode features Josh Blum, Chris Stewart and John Vance. For Waldorf University Blue Card credit and discounts: https://www.waldorf.edu/blue-card/  For free command and leadership support, check out bshifter.com  Sign up for the B Shifter Buckslip, our free weekly newsletter here: https://lp.constantcontactpages.com/su/fmgs92N/Buckslip  Shop B Shifter here: https://bshifter.myshopify.com  All of our links here: https://linktr.ee/BShifter  Please subscribe and share. Thank...

Who Is Training Your Firefighters?

<a target="_blank" href="https://www.buzzsprout.com/twilio/text_messages/1785403/open_sms">Send us a text</a>The Silverbacks are in the studio this week talking about The Fire Department Mission Statement. This episode features Nick Brunacini, Terry Garrison, Pat Dale, and John Vance.We trade long, forgettable mission statements for simple words that drive decisions: be safe, be nice, be accountable. Stories from the field show how clarity anchors culture, justifies resources, and holds leaders and crews to the same standard. • why short missions beat wordy statements • aligning SOPs, training and gear with be safe • defining be nice for crews and customers • accountability as care for people and system • staffing, survivability and telling hard truths up the chain • the work as a non‑political north star • risk management plans that everyone knows and uses • training as continuous, not one and done • enforcing values from probationer to chief Make sure to subscribe and tell your friends.This episode was recorded at the Alan V. Brunacini Command Training Center in Phoenix on October 27, 2025.For Waldorf University Blue Card credit and discounts: <a href='https://www.waldorf.edu/blue-card/'>https://www.waldorf.edu/blue-card/</a> For free command and leadership support, check out bshifter.com Sign up for the B Shifter Buckslip, our free weekly newsletter here: <a href='https://lp.constantcontactpages.com/su/fmgs92N/Buckslip'>https://lp.constantcontactpages.com/su/fmgs92N/Buckslip</a> Shop B Shifter here: <a href='https://bshifter.myshopify.com/'>https://bshifter.myshopify.com</a> All of our links here: <a href='https://linktr.ee/BShifter'>https://linktr.ee/BShifter </a>

<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.buzzsprout.com/twilio/text_messages/1785403/open_sms"&gt;Send us a text&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The Silverbacks are in the studio this week talking about The Fire Department Mission Statement. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;This episode features Nick Brunacini, Terry Garrison, Pat Dale, and John Vance.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;We trade long, forgettable mission statements for simple words that drive decisions: be safe, be nice, be accountable. Stories from the field show how clarity anchors culture, justifies resources, and holds leaders and crews to the same standard.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;• why short missions beat wordy statements&lt;br/&gt;• aligning SOPs, training and gear with be safe&lt;br/&gt;• defining be nice for crews and customers&lt;br/&gt;• accountability as care for people and system&lt;br/&gt;• staffing, survivability and telling hard truths up the chain&lt;br/&gt;• the work as a non‑political north star&lt;br/&gt;• risk management plans that everyone knows and uses&lt;br/&gt;• training as continuous, not one and done&lt;br/&gt;• enforcing values from probationer to chief&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Make sure to subscribe and tell your friends.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;This episode was recorded at the Alan V. Brunacini Command Training Center in Phoenix on October 27, 2025.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;For Waldorf University Blue Card credit and discounts: &lt;a href='https://www.waldorf.edu/blue-card/'&gt;https://www.waldorf.edu/blue-card/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;For free command and leadership support, check out bshifter.com&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Sign up for the B Shifter Buckslip, our free weekly newsletter here: &lt;a href='https://lp.constantcontactpages.com/su/fmgs92N/Buckslip'&gt;https://lp.constantcontactpages.com/su/fmgs92N/Buckslip&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Shop B Shifter here: &lt;a href='https://bshifter.myshopify.com/'&gt;https://bshifter.myshopify.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;All of our links here: &lt;a href='https://linktr.ee/BShifter'&gt;https://linktr.ee/BShifter&lt;br/&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>

Send us a text The Silverbacks are in the studio this week talking about The Fire Department Mission Statement.  This episode features Nick Brunacini, Terry Garrison, Pat Dale, and John Vance. We trade long, forgettable mission statements for simple words that drive decisions: be safe, be nice, be accountable. Stories from the field show how clarity anchors culture, justifies resources, and holds leaders and crews to the same standard.  • why short missions beat wordy statements • aligni...

The Fire Department Mission Statement 

<a target="_blank" href="https://www.buzzsprout.com/twilio/text_messages/1785403/open_sms">Send us a text</a>This episode features Josh Blum, Chris Stewart and John Vance. Sign up for the Blue Card Webinar (free!): NFPA 1700: Guide to Structural Firefighting — Why Does It Matter to an IC? Here: <a href='https://streamyard.com/watch/C4bNT3WgfnWU'>https://streamyard.com/watch/C4bNT3WgfnWU</a>For Waldorf University Blue Card credit and discounts: <a href='https://www.waldorf.edu/blue-card/'>https://www.waldorf.edu/blue-card/</a> For free command and leadership support, check out bshifter.com Sign up for the B Shifter Buckslip, our free weekly newsletter here: <a href='https://lp.constantcontactpages.com/su/fmgs92N/Buckslip'>https://lp.constantcontactpages.com/su/fmgs92N/Buckslip</a> Shop B Shifter here: <a href='https://bshifter.myshopify.com'>https://bshifter.myshopify.com</a> All of our links here: <a href='https://linktr.ee/BShifter'>https://linktr.ee/BShifter </a> Please subscribe and share. Thank you for listening! We lay out what IC 1 must own, what IC 2 must enforce, and why fitness for duty includes training, standards, and honest evaluation. Other highlights include: • expectations for first‑due company officers as IC1 • training to a published command standard • fitness for duty across physical, mental, and procedural readiness • acting officers trained to the same bar as promoted officers • chiefs enforcing the IAP and ending free‑lancing • NFPA 1700 as a practical guide for tactics and search • building a deep bench and stopping target‑moving • focusing the station and cutting distractions • using the eight functions of command end‑to‑end Make sure to subscribe and tell your friends to listen to the B Shifter Podcast!

<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.buzzsprout.com/twilio/text_messages/1785403/open_sms"&gt;Send us a text&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;This episode features Josh Blum, Chris Stewart and John Vance.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Sign up for the Blue Card Webinar (free!): NFPA 1700: Guide to Structural Firefighting — Why Does It Matter to an IC? Here: &lt;a href='https://streamyard.com/watch/C4bNT3WgfnWU'&gt;https://streamyard.com/watch/C4bNT3WgfnWU&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;For Waldorf University Blue Card credit and discounts: &lt;a href='https://www.waldorf.edu/blue-card/'&gt;https://www.waldorf.edu/blue-card/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;For free command and leadership support, check out bshifter.com&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Sign up for the B Shifter Buckslip, our free weekly newsletter here: &lt;a href='https://lp.constantcontactpages.com/su/fmgs92N/Buckslip'&gt;https://lp.constantcontactpages.com/su/fmgs92N/Buckslip&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Shop B Shifter here: &lt;a href='https://bshifter.myshopify.com'&gt;https://bshifter.myshopify.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;All of our links here: &lt;a href='https://linktr.ee/BShifter'&gt;https://linktr.ee/BShifter&lt;br/&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Please subscribe and share. Thank you for listening!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;We lay out what IC 1 must own, what IC 2 must enforce, and why fitness for duty includes training, standards, and honest evaluation. Other highlights include:&lt;br/&gt;• expectations for first‑due company officers as IC1&lt;br/&gt;• training to a published command standard&lt;br/&gt;• fitness for duty across physical, mental, and procedural readiness&lt;br/&gt;• acting officers trained to the same bar as promoted officers&lt;br/&gt;• chiefs enforcing the IAP and ending free‑lancing&lt;br/&gt;• NFPA 1700 as a practical guide for tactics and search&lt;br/&gt;• building a deep bench and stopping target‑moving&lt;br/&gt;• focusing the station and cutting distractions&lt;br/&gt;• using the eight functions of command end‑to‑end&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Make sure to subscribe and tell your friends to listen to the B Shifter Podcast!&lt;/p&gt;</description>

Send us a text This episode features Josh Blum, Chris Stewart and John Vance.  Sign up for the Blue Card Webinar (free!): NFPA 1700: Guide to Structural Firefighting — Why Does It Matter to an IC? Here: https://streamyard.com/watch/C4bNT3WgfnWU For Waldorf University Blue Card credit and discounts: https://www.waldorf.edu/blue-card/  For free command and leadership support, check out bshifter.com  Sign up for the B Shifter Buckslip, our free weekly newsletter here: https://lp.constantcontactp...

Fit For Duty, Ready To Command

<a target="_blank" href="https://www.buzzsprout.com/twilio/text_messages/1785403/open_sms">Send us a text</a>This week, we’re joined by two outstanding guests: Erik Phillips, Captain with Las Vegas Fire &amp; Rescue (Nev.) and Fire Chief of Diamond Valley Fire Department (Utah), and Gary Fleischer, District Chief with Worcester (Mass.) Fire Department.Together, we challenge first-in officers to own their role with clear expectations, disciplined size-ups, and early, coordinated assignments outside the IDLH. We dive into the culture of training, monitoring, and accountable improvement—and how Blue Card turns noise into command during the first five minutes.You’ll hear stories, tools, and drills on: • Defining first-due ownership and IC-1 expectations • Using preplans and everyday calls as micro preplans • Turning smoke detector checks into high-yield life safety work • The four-step model: expectation, training, monitoring, accountability • Level 1 staging as a tool, not a delay • Eliminating freelancing and duplication of effort • Building judgment through radio reps and tactical decision games • Using AARs, hot washes, and audio reviews for continuous improvement • Reinforcing culture to avoid accidental success and drift • And a timeless tactical truth: See before you speakTune in, train hard, and lead with clarity. Sign up for the Buckslip newsletter and grab free IC resources at <a href='https://bshifter.com/'>bshifter.com</a> We want your helmet (for the AVB CTC)! Check this out to find out more: <a href='https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qg5_ZwoCZo0'>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qg5_ZwoCZo0</a> Sign up for the B Shifter Buckslip, our free weekly newsletter here: <a href='https://lp.constantcontactpages.com/su/fmgs92N/Buckslip'>https://lp.constantcontactpages.com/su/fmgs92N/Buckslip</a> Shop B Shifter here: <a href='https://bshifter.myshopify.com/'>https://bshifter.myshopify.com</a> All of our links here:<a href='https://www.buzzsprout.com/admin/1785403/%20https://linktr.ee/BShifter'> https://linktr.ee/BShifter</a>Waldorf University articulates Blue Card training into credits! More here: <a href='https://waldorf.edu/lp/blue-card/'>https://waldorf.edu/lp/blue-card/</a>Please subscribe and share. Thank you for listening!

<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.buzzsprout.com/twilio/text_messages/1785403/open_sms"&gt;Send us a text&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;This week, we’re joined by two outstanding guests: &lt;b&gt;Erik Phillips&lt;/b&gt;, Captain with &lt;em&gt;Las Vegas Fire &amp;amp; Rescue (Nev.)&lt;/em&gt; and Fire Chief of &lt;em&gt;Diamond Valley Fire Department (Utah)&lt;/em&gt;, and &lt;b&gt;Gary Fleischer&lt;/b&gt;, &lt;em&gt;District Chief with Worcester (Mass.) Fire Department&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Together, we challenge first-in officers to &lt;b&gt;own their role&lt;/b&gt; with clear expectations, disciplined size-ups, and early, coordinated assignments outside the IDLH. We dive into the culture of &lt;b&gt;training, monitoring, and accountable improvement&lt;/b&gt;—and how Blue Card turns noise into command during the first five minutes.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;You’ll hear stories, tools, and drills on:&lt;br/&gt;• Defining first-due ownership and IC-1 expectations&lt;br/&gt;• Using preplans and everyday calls as micro preplans&lt;br/&gt;• Turning smoke detector checks into high-yield life safety work&lt;br/&gt;• The four-step model: expectation, training, monitoring, accountability&lt;br/&gt;• Level 1 staging as a tool, not a delay&lt;br/&gt;• Eliminating freelancing and duplication of effort&lt;br/&gt;• Building judgment through radio reps and tactical decision games&lt;br/&gt;• Using AARs, hot washes, and audio reviews for continuous improvement&lt;br/&gt;• Reinforcing culture to avoid accidental success and drift&lt;br/&gt;• And a timeless tactical truth: &lt;b&gt;See before you speak&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Tune in, train hard, and lead with clarity.&lt;br/&gt;Sign up for the &lt;b&gt;Buckslip newsletter&lt;/b&gt; and grab free IC resources at &lt;a href='https://bshifter.com/'&gt;bshifter.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;We want your helmet (for the AVB CTC)! Check this out to find out more: &lt;a href='https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qg5_ZwoCZo0'&gt;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qg5_ZwoCZo0&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Sign up for the B Shifter Buckslip, our free weekly newsletter here: &lt;a href='https://lp.constantcontactpages.com/su/fmgs92N/Buckslip'&gt;https://lp.constantcontactpages.com/su/fmgs92N/Buckslip&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Shop B Shifter here: &lt;a href='https://bshifter.myshopify.com/'&gt;https://bshifter.myshopify.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;All of our links here:&lt;a href='https://www.buzzsprout.com/admin/1785403/%20https://linktr.ee/BShifter'&gt; https://linktr.ee/BShifter&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Waldorf University articulates Blue Card training into credits! More here: &lt;a href='https://waldorf.edu/lp/blue-card/'&gt;https://waldorf.edu/lp/blue-card/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Please subscribe and share. Thank you for listening!&lt;/p&gt;</description>

Send us a text This week, we’re joined by two outstanding guests: Erik Phillips, Captain with Las Vegas Fire &amp; Rescue (Nev.) and Fire Chief of Diamond Valley Fire Department (Utah), and Gary Fleischer, District Chief with Worcester (Mass.) Fire Department. Together, we challenge first-in officers to own their role with clear expectations, disciplined size-ups, and early, coordinated assignments outside the IDLH. We dive into the culture of training, monitoring, and accountable improvement...

You Are First Due - Now Own it!

<a target="_blank" href="https://www.buzzsprout.com/twilio/text_messages/1785403/open_sms">Send us a text</a>We want your helmet (for the AVB CTC)! Check this out to find out more: <a href='https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qg5_ZwoCZo0'>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qg5_ZwoCZo0</a> Sign up for the B Shifter Buckslip, our free weekly newsletter here: <a href='https://lp.constantcontactpages.com/su/fmgs92N/Buckslip'>https://lp.constantcontactpages.com/su/fmgs92N/Buckslip</a> Shop B Shifter here: <a href='https://bshifter.myshopify.com/'>https://bshifter.myshopify.com</a> All of our links here:<a href='https://www.buzzsprout.com/admin/1785403/%20https://linktr.ee/BShifter'> https://linktr.ee/BShifter</a>Waldorf University articulates Blue Card training into credits! More here: <a href='https://waldorf.edu/lp/blue-card/'>https://waldorf.edu/lp/blue-card/</a>Please subscribe and share. Thank you for listening!We share practical ways to build, lose, and rebuild trust inside a fire department, from consistent leadership and empowerment to acting on what you already know. We talk candidly about naming problems, guarding policy boundaries with data, and turning hard lessons into shared learning. • conference highlights and thanks from Cincinnati • upcoming NFPA 1700 webinar details and timing • why trust collapses and how morale affects service • consistency and candor as leadership basics • empowerment and safety as trust multipliers • listening for themes and sensing authenticity • naming the problem and taking timely action • fixing low-hanging fruit to build credibility • guarding high-risk policies with data and presence • debriefs, hot washes, and shared learning Make sure to like and subscribe. Leave us a review too!

<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.buzzsprout.com/twilio/text_messages/1785403/open_sms"&gt;Send us a text&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;We want your helmet (for the AVB CTC)! Check this out to find out more: &lt;a href='https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qg5_ZwoCZo0'&gt;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qg5_ZwoCZo0&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Sign up for the B Shifter Buckslip, our free weekly newsletter here: &lt;a href='https://lp.constantcontactpages.com/su/fmgs92N/Buckslip'&gt;https://lp.constantcontactpages.com/su/fmgs92N/Buckslip&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Shop B Shifter here: &lt;a href='https://bshifter.myshopify.com/'&gt;https://bshifter.myshopify.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;All of our links here:&lt;a href='https://www.buzzsprout.com/admin/1785403/%20https://linktr.ee/BShifter'&gt; https://linktr.ee/BShifter&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Waldorf University articulates Blue Card training into credits! More here: &lt;a href='https://waldorf.edu/lp/blue-card/'&gt;https://waldorf.edu/lp/blue-card/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Please subscribe and share. Thank you for listening!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;We share practical ways to build, lose, and rebuild trust inside a fire department, from consistent leadership and empowerment to acting on what you already know. We talk candidly about naming problems, guarding policy boundaries with data, and turning hard lessons into shared learning.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;• conference highlights and thanks from Cincinnati&lt;br/&gt;• upcoming NFPA 1700 webinar details and timing&lt;br/&gt;• why trust collapses and how morale affects service&lt;br/&gt;• consistency and candor as leadership basics&lt;br/&gt;• empowerment and safety as trust multipliers&lt;br/&gt;• listening for themes and sensing authenticity&lt;br/&gt;• naming the problem and taking timely action&lt;br/&gt;• fixing low-hanging fruit to build credibility&lt;br/&gt;• guarding high-risk policies with data and presence&lt;br/&gt;• debriefs, hot washes, and shared learning&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Make sure to like and subscribe. Leave us a review too!&lt;/p&gt;</description>

Send us a text We want your helmet (for the AVB CTC)! Check this out to find out more: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qg5_ZwoCZo0  Sign up for the B Shifter Buckslip, our free weekly newsletter here: https://lp.constantcontactpages.com/su/fmgs92N/Buckslip  Shop B Shifter here: https://bshifter.myshopify.com  All of our links here: https://linktr.ee/BShifter Waldorf University articulates Blue Card training into credits! More here: https://waldorf.edu/lp/blue-card/ Please subscribe and share....

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