Adani chats with Dr. Susan Engel, a Senior Lecturer and Senior Faculty Fellow in Psychology at Williams College. Susan’s research spans many areas, including the development of curiosity and invention, children’s ideas, the impact of college, and school reform. In this conversation, we discuss Susan’s seminal research on children&apos;s curiosity, how curiosity develops into adulthood, and her latest book, The Intellectual Lives of Children. Susan also shares the story behind how she first started in this field of research, and the projects she’s excited to work on next.Susan’s website: <a href='https://psychology.williams.edu/profile/sengel/'>https://psychology.williams.edu/profile/sengel/</a> Susan’s book The Hungry Mind: <a href='https://www.amazon.com/Hungry-Mind-Origins-Curiosity-Childhood/dp/0674984110'>https://www.amazon.com/Hungry-Mind-Origins-Curiosity-Childhood/dp/0674984110</a> Susan’s book The Intellectual Lives of Children: <a href='https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-intellectual-lives-of-children-susan-engel/1136606329'>https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-intellectual-lives-of-children-susan-engel/1136606329</a> Susan’s upcoming book American Kindergarten: <a href='https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/A/bo258923309.html'>https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/A/bo258923309.html</a>Adani’s website: <a href='https://www.adaniabutto.com/'>https://www.adaniabutto.com</a> Adani’s Bluesky: <a href='https://bsky.app/profile/adani.bsky.social'>@adani</a>Podcast Twitter <a href='https://twitter.com/StanfordPsyPod'>@StanfordPsyPod</a> Podcast Substack <a href='https://stanfordpsypod.substack.com/'>https://stanfordpsypod.substack.com/</a>Let us know what you thought of this episode, or of the podcast! :) stanfordpsychpodcast@gmail.com

<description>&lt;p&gt;Adani chats with Dr. Susan Engel, a Senior Lecturer and Senior Faculty Fellow in Psychology at Williams College. Susan’s research spans many areas, including the development of curiosity and invention, children’s ideas, the impact of college, and school reform. In this conversation, we discuss Susan’s seminal research on children&amp;apos;s curiosity, how curiosity develops into adulthood, and her latest book, &lt;em&gt;The Intellectual Lives of Children&lt;/em&gt;. Susan also shares the story behind how she first started in this field of research, and the projects she’s excited to work on next.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Susan’s website: &lt;a href='https://psychology.williams.edu/profile/sengel/'&gt;https://psychology.williams.edu/profile/sengel/&lt;/a&gt; &lt;br/&gt;Susan’s book &lt;em&gt;The Hungry Mind:&lt;/em&gt; &lt;a href='https://www.amazon.com/Hungry-Mind-Origins-Curiosity-Childhood/dp/0674984110'&gt;https://www.amazon.com/Hungry-Mind-Origins-Curiosity-Childhood/dp/0674984110&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Susan’s book &lt;em&gt;The Intellectual Lives of Children&lt;/em&gt;: &lt;a href='https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-intellectual-lives-of-children-susan-engel/1136606329'&gt;https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-intellectual-lives-of-children-susan-engel/1136606329&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Susan’s upcoming book &lt;em&gt;American Kindergarten&lt;/em&gt;: &lt;a href='https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/A/bo258923309.html'&gt;https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/A/bo258923309.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Adani’s website: &lt;a href='https://www.adaniabutto.com/'&gt;https://www.adaniabutto.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Adani’s Bluesky: &lt;a href='https://bsky.app/profile/adani.bsky.social'&gt;@adani&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Podcast Twitter &lt;a href='https://twitter.com/StanfordPsyPod'&gt;@StanfordPsyPod&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Podcast Substack &lt;a href='https://stanfordpsypod.substack.com/'&gt;https://stanfordpsypod.substack.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Let us know what you thought of this episode, or of the podcast! :) stanfordpsychpodcast@gmail.com&lt;/p&gt;</description>

Adani chats with Dr. Susan Engel, a Senior Lecturer and Senior Faculty Fellow in Psychology at Williams College. Susan’s research spans many areas, including the development of curiosity and invention, children’s ideas, the impact of college, and school reform. In this conversation, we discuss Susan’s seminal research on children's curiosity, how curiosity develops into adulthood, and her latest book, The Intellectual Lives of Children. Susan also shares the story behind how she first started...

164 - Susan Engel: Do We Become Less Curious As We Grow Older?

Su chats with Dr. Roger Levy. Dr. Levy is a Professor in the Department of Brain and Cognitive Sciences at MIT, where he directs the Computational Psycholinguistics Laboratory. His research focuses on theoretical and applied questions in the processing and acquisition of natural language. His work furthers our understanding of the cognitive underpinning of language processing and acquisition, combining computational modeling, psycholinguistic experimentation, and analysis of large, naturalistic language datasets, to help design models and algorithms that will allow machines to process human language. In today&apos;s episode, we discuss his research background together with his recent work &quot;The Science of Language in the Era of Generative AI&quot;.Roger’s review: <a href='https://mit-genai.pubpub.org/pub/ak3evnmm/release/1'>https://mit-genai.pubpub.org/pub/ak3evnmm/release/1</a> Roger’s lab website: <a href='http://cpl.mit.edu/'>http://cpl.mit.edu/</a>  Roger’s personal website: <a href='https://www.mit.edu/~rplevy/'>https://www.mit.edu/~rplevy/</a>  Su’s Twitter: <a href='https://x.com/sudkrc'>https://x.com/sudkrc</a>  Podcast Twitter <a href='https://twitter.com/StanfordPsyPod'>@StanfordPsyPod</a>Podcast Substack <a href='https://stanfordpsypod.substack.com/'>https://stanfordpsypod.substack.com/</a>Let us know what you thought of this episode, or of the podcast! :) stanfordpsychpodcast@gmail.com

<description>&lt;p&gt;Su chats with Dr. Roger Levy. Dr. Levy is a Professor in the Department of Brain and Cognitive Sciences at MIT, where he directs the Computational Psycholinguistics Laboratory. His research focuses on theoretical and applied questions in the processing and acquisition of natural language. His work furthers our understanding of the cognitive underpinning of language processing and acquisition, combining computational modeling, psycholinguistic experimentation, and analysis of large, naturalistic language datasets, to help design models and algorithms that will allow machines to process human language. In today&amp;apos;s episode, we discuss his research background together with his recent work &amp;quot;The Science of Language in the Era of Generative AI&amp;quot;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Roger’s review: &lt;a href='https://mit-genai.pubpub.org/pub/ak3evnmm/release/1'&gt;https://mit-genai.pubpub.org/pub/ak3evnmm/release/1&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Roger’s lab website: &lt;a href='http://cpl.mit.edu/'&gt;http://cpl.mit.edu/&lt;/a&gt;  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Roger’s personal website: &lt;a href='https://www.mit.edu/~rplevy/'&gt;https://www.mit.edu/~rplevy/&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Su’s Twitter: &lt;a href='https://x.com/sudkrc'&gt;https://x.com/sudkrc&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Podcast Twitter &lt;a href='https://twitter.com/StanfordPsyPod'&gt;@StanfordPsyPod&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Podcast Substack &lt;a href='https://stanfordpsypod.substack.com/'&gt;https://stanfordpsypod.substack.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Let us know what you thought of this episode, or of the podcast! :) stanfordpsychpodcast@gmail.com&lt;/p&gt;</description>

Su chats with Dr. Roger Levy. Dr. Levy is a Professor in the Department of Brain and Cognitive Sciences at MIT, where he directs the Computational Psycholinguistics Laboratory. His research focuses on theoretical and applied questions in the processing and acquisition of natural language. His work furthers our understanding of the cognitive underpinning of language processing and acquisition, combining computational modeling, psycholinguistic experimentation, and analysis of large, naturalist...

163 - Roger Levy: The Science of Language in the Era of AI

In today’s episode, Adani chats with Adam Benforado, a lawyer, writer, and professor at Drexel University’s Kline School of Law. Adam’s research, teaching, and advocacy are focused on children’s rights and criminal justice, and he brings insights from the mind sciences—most notably cognitive psychology—to law and legal theory. In this conversation, Adam tells us about his latest book, A Minor Revolution: How Prioritizing Kids Benefits Us All, laying out the multifaceted, complex context around children’s rights and parental authority in the U.S. Adam also shares how he first got to work on the issues he now champions and what his future vision is, for children and society more broadly.Adam’s website: <a href='https://www.adambenforado.com/'>https://www.adambenforado.com/</a> Adam’s book, A Minor Revolution: <a href='https://www.adambenforado.com/a-minor-revolution'>https://www.adambenforado.com/a-minor-revolution</a> Adam’s twitter: <a href='https://x.com/Benforado'>@Benforado</a> Adam’s new organization, Minor Power: ​<a href='https://www.minorpower.org/'>​https://www.minorpower.org/</a>Adani’s website: <a href='https://www.adaniabutto.com'>https://www.adaniabutto.com</a> Adani’s Bluesky: <a href='https://bsky.app/profile/adani.bsky.social'>@adani</a>Podcast Twitter <a href='https://twitter.com/StanfordPsyPod'>@StanfordPsyPod</a>  Podcast Substack <a href='https://stanfordpsypod.substack.com?utm_source=substack&amp;utm_campaign=publication_embed&amp;utm_medium=web'>Stanford Psychology Podcast</a> - Newsletter for the official Stanford Psychology Podcast!Let us know what you thought of this episode, or of the podcast! :) <a href='mailto:stanfordpsychpodcast@gmail.com'>stanfordpsychpodcast@gmail.com</a>

<description>&lt;p&gt;In today’s episode, Adani chats with Adam Benforado, a lawyer, writer, and professor at Drexel University’s Kline School of Law. Adam’s research, teaching, and advocacy are focused on children’s rights and criminal justice, and he brings insights from the mind sciences—most notably cognitive psychology—to law and legal theory. In this conversation, Adam tells us about his latest book, &lt;em&gt;A Minor Revolution: How Prioritizing Kids Benefits Us All, &lt;/em&gt;laying out the multifaceted, complex context around children’s rights and parental authority in the U.S. Adam also shares how he first got to work on the issues he now champions and what his future vision is, for children and society more broadly.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Adam’s website: &lt;a href='https://www.adambenforado.com/'&gt;https://www.adambenforado.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Adam’s book, &lt;em&gt;A Minor Revolution&lt;/em&gt;: &lt;a href='https://www.adambenforado.com/a-minor-revolution'&gt;https://www.adambenforado.com/a-minor-revolution&lt;/a&gt; &lt;br/&gt;Adam’s twitter: &lt;a href='https://x.com/Benforado'&gt;@Benforado&lt;/a&gt; &lt;br/&gt;Adam’s new organization, Minor Power: ​&lt;a href='https://www.minorpower.org/'&gt;​https://www.minorpower.org/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Adani’s website: &lt;a href='https://www.adaniabutto.com'&gt;https://www.adaniabutto.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Adani’s Bluesky: &lt;a href='https://bsky.app/profile/adani.bsky.social'&gt;@adani&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Podcast Twitter &lt;a href='https://twitter.com/StanfordPsyPod'&gt;@StanfordPsyPod&lt;/a&gt; &lt;br/&gt;Podcast Substack &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href='https://stanfordpsypod.substack.com?utm_source=substack&amp;amp;utm_campaign=publication_embed&amp;amp;utm_medium=web'&gt;Stanford Psychology Podcast&lt;/a&gt; - Newsletter for the official Stanford Psychology Podcast!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Let us know what you thought of this episode, or of the podcast! :) &lt;a href='mailto:stanfordpsychpodcast@gmail.com'&gt;stanfordpsychpodcast@gmail.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>

In today’s episode, Adani chats with Adam Benforado, a lawyer, writer, and professor at Drexel University’s Kline School of Law. Adam’s research, teaching, and advocacy are focused on children’s rights and criminal justice, and he brings insights from the mind sciences—most notably cognitive psychology—to law and legal theory. In this conversation, Adam tells us about his latest book, A Minor Revolution: How Prioritizing Kids Benefits Us All, laying out the multifaceted, complex context aroun...

162 - Adam Benforado: How prioritizing kids benefits us all

Su chats with Dr. Yuan Chang (YC) Leong. YC is an Assistant Professor of Psychology at the University of Chicago. He is the director of Computational Affective and Social Neuroscience Lab, which is a part of the Department of Psychology, a member of the Institute of Mind and Biology and the Neuroscience Institute, and an affiliate of the Data Science Institute. His research explores the neural and computational mechanisms underlying how goals, beliefs, and emotions influence human cognition, with a focus on why people interpret and respond to identical situations in different ways. In today&apos;s episode, we discuss what’s on YC intellectual radar these days, alongside with his recent paper &quot;Dynamic brain connectivity predicts emotional arousal during naturalistic movie-watching,&quot; in which they show that we can decode arousal with open movie fMRI datasets.YC’s paper: <a href='https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/40215238/'>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/40215238/</a> YC’s lab website: <a href='https://mcnlab.uchicago.edu/'>https://mcnlab.uchicago.edu/</a> YC’s personal website: <a href='https://ycleong.github.io/'>https://ycleong.github.io/</a>  Su’s Twitter <a href='https://x.com/sudkrc'>@sudkrc</a>Su’s Bluesky <a href='https://bsky.app/profile/sudkrc.bsky.social'>@sudkrc.bsky.social </a> Podcast Twitter <a href='https://twitter.com/StanfordPsyPod'>@StanfordPsyPod</a>Podcast Bluesky <a href='http://@stanfordpsypod'>@stanfordpsypod.bsky.social</a>Podcast Substack <a href='https://stanfordpsypod.substack.com/'>https://stanfordpsypod.substack.com/</a>Let us know what you thought of this episode, or of the podcast! :) stanfordpsychpodcast@gmail.com

<description>&lt;p&gt;Su chats with Dr. Yuan Chang (YC) Leong. YC is an Assistant Professor of Psychology at the University of Chicago. He is the director of Computational Affective and Social Neuroscience Lab, which is a part of the Department of Psychology, a member of the Institute of Mind and Biology and the Neuroscience Institute, and an affiliate of the Data Science Institute. His research explores the neural and computational mechanisms underlying how goals, beliefs, and emotions influence human cognition, with a focus on why people interpret and respond to identical situations in different ways. In today&amp;apos;s episode, we discuss what’s on YC intellectual radar these days, alongside with his recent paper &amp;quot;Dynamic brain connectivity predicts emotional arousal during naturalistic movie-watching,&amp;quot; in which they show that we can decode arousal with open movie fMRI datasets.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;YC’s paper: &lt;a href='https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/40215238/'&gt;https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/40215238/&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;YC’s lab website: &lt;a href='https://mcnlab.uchicago.edu/'&gt;https://mcnlab.uchicago.edu/&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;YC’s personal website: &lt;a href='https://ycleong.github.io/'&gt;https://ycleong.github.io/&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Su’s Twitter &lt;a href='https://x.com/sudkrc'&gt;@sudkrc&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Su’s Bluesky &lt;a href='https://bsky.app/profile/sudkrc.bsky.social'&gt;@sudkrc.bsky.social &lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Podcast Twitter &lt;a href='https://twitter.com/StanfordPsyPod'&gt;@StanfordPsyPod&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Podcast Bluesky &lt;a href='http://@stanfordpsypod'&gt;@stanfordpsypod.bsky.social&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Podcast Substack &lt;a href='https://stanfordpsypod.substack.com/'&gt;https://stanfordpsypod.substack.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Let us know what you thought of this episode, or of the podcast! :) stanfordpsychpodcast@gmail.com&lt;/p&gt;</description>

Su chats with Dr. Yuan Chang (YC) Leong. YC is an Assistant Professor of Psychology at the University of Chicago. He is the director of Computational Affective and Social Neuroscience Lab, which is a part of the Department of Psychology, a member of the Institute of Mind and Biology and the Neuroscience Institute, and an affiliate of the Data Science Institute. His research explores the neural and computational mechanisms underlying how goals, beliefs, and emotions influence human cognition, ...

161 - Yuan Chang (YC) Leong: Emotional arousal & dynamic brain connectivity

Su chats with Dr. Jennifer Hu. Jenn is an Assistant Professor of Cognitive Science and Computer Science at Johns Hopkins University, directing the Group for Language and Intelligence. Her research examines the computational principles that underlie human language, and how language and cognition might be achieved by artificial models. In her work to answer these questions, she combines cognitive science and machine learning, with the dual goals of understanding the human mind and safely advancing artificial intelligence. We are discussing Jenn’s paper titled “Signatures of human-like processing in Transformer forward passes.&quot; Jenn’s paper: <a href='https://arxiv.org/abs/2504.14107'>https://arxiv.org/abs/2504.14107</a> Jenn’s lab website: <a href='https://www.glintlab.org/'>https://www.glintlab.org/</a> Jenn’s personal website: <a href='https://jennhu.github.io/'>https://jennhu.github.io/</a>  Su’s Twitter: <a href='https://x.com/sudkrc'>https://x.com/sudkrc</a>  Podcast Twitter <a href='https://twitter.com/StanfordPsyPod'>@StanfordPsyPod</a>Podcast Substack <a href='https://stanfordpsypod.substack.com/'>https://stanfordpsypod.substack.com/</a> Let us know what you thought of this episode, or of the podcast! :) stanfordpsychpodcast@gmail.com

<description>&lt;p&gt;Su chats with Dr. Jennifer Hu. Jenn is an Assistant Professor of Cognitive Science and Computer Science at Johns Hopkins University, directing the Group for Language and Intelligence. Her research examines the computational principles that underlie human language, and how language and cognition might be achieved by artificial models. In her work to answer these questions, she combines cognitive science and machine learning, with the dual goals of understanding the human mind and safely advancing artificial intelligence. We are discussing Jenn’s paper titled “Signatures of human-like processing in Transformer forward passes.&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Jenn’s paper: &lt;a href='https://arxiv.org/abs/2504.14107'&gt;https://arxiv.org/abs/2504.14107&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Jenn’s lab website: &lt;a href='https://www.glintlab.org/'&gt;https://www.glintlab.org/&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Jenn’s personal website: &lt;a href='https://jennhu.github.io/'&gt;https://jennhu.github.io/&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Su’s Twitter: &lt;a href='https://x.com/sudkrc'&gt;https://x.com/sudkrc&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Podcast Twitter &lt;a href='https://twitter.com/StanfordPsyPod'&gt;@StanfordPsyPod&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Podcast Substack &lt;a href='https://stanfordpsypod.substack.com/'&gt;https://stanfordpsypod.substack.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Let us know what you thought of this episode, or of the podcast! :) stanfordpsychpodcast@gmail.com&lt;/p&gt;</description>

Su chats with Dr. Jennifer Hu. Jenn is an Assistant Professor of Cognitive Science and Computer Science at Johns Hopkins University, directing the Group for Language and Intelligence. Her research examines the computational principles that underlie human language, and how language and cognition might be achieved by artificial models. In her work to answer these questions, she combines cognitive science and machine learning, with the dual goals of understanding the human mind and safely advanc...

160 - Jennifer Hu: From Human Minds to Artificial Minds

The student-led Stanford Psychology Podcast invites leading psychologists to talk about what’s on their mind lately. Join Eric Neumann, Anjie Cao, Kate Petrova, Bella Fascendini,&nbsp; Joseph Outa and Julia Rathmann-Bloch as they chat with their guests about their latest exciting work. Every week, an episode will bring you new findings from psychological science and how they can be applied to everyday life. The opinions and views expressed in this podcast represent those of the speaker and not necessarily Stanford's. Subscribe at stanfordpsypod.substack.com. Let us hear your thoughts at stanfordpsychpodcast@gmail.com. Follow us on Twitter @StanfordPsyPod. Visit our website https://stanfordpsychologypodcast.com. Soundtrack: Corey Zhou (UCSD). Logo: Sarah Wu (Stanford)

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