In the coming episodes, you’ll hear highlights from the Oorzaken Festival 2025. On December 12 and 13, audio lovers came together for  the best masterclasses, panels, installations, performances, and audio works of the moment.In this episode Maartje Duin interviews Nancy Updike about 30 years of This American Life. In 2025, This American Life celebrates thirty years. Co-founder Nancy Updike reflects on its legacy with podcast producer Maartje Duin (NL), who discovered her love for audio through TAL. Updike also worked on Serial, We Were Three. Duin created the award-winning podcasts De plantage van onze voorouders and Mina & Mevrouw. Want to hear more? Follow the OORZAKEN Podcast and discover even more audio highlights every week. Next Oorzaken Festival will take place on Dec. 11 & 12 2026 in Amsterdam.Tune: Wisse BeetsOorzaken was made possible by AFK, Nederlands Letterenfonds, Fonds 21, Fonds BJP, De Brakke Grond, BUMA Music in Motion, de Buren, VPRO, ntr:, Explore the North, Podimo/Dag en Nacht, Domein voor Kunstkritiek, Impact Lab.