In this episode of the GrowLeader Podcast, Pastor Chris Hodges and Pastor Rick Bezet have an honest conversation about burnout, friendship, counseling, soul care, and the importance of rest in leadership. Together they share personal stories, practical wisdom, and the rhythms that have helped them stay healthy through decades of ministry. Recorded during a season where the GrowLeader team is intentionally focusing on rest and relationships, this deeply personal conversation explores how decades of ministry, leadership pressure, conflict, and personal pain can slowly wear leaders down and what it looks like to recover well. If you're tired, discouraged, emotionally worn down, or simply running too hard for too long, this episode will encourage you to slow down, reconnect with God, and rediscover healthy rhythms for the journey ahead. All Things GrowLeader: Register for GrowLeader Conference 2026: https://www.growleader.com/conference Join Monthly Mentoring with Pastor Chris: https://www.growleader.com/monthlymentoring Access FREE church resources: https://www.churchofthehighlands.com/resources Develop a Kingdom Builders or Legacy Team: https://www.growleader.com/kbvirtualintensive Watch more episodes: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyCNQpi3YxaOeQAIdSpbeVw Follow along on Socials: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/growleader/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/growleader