Liz Ellis is arguably Australia's most well-known, and most successful netballer. She played for the national Australian team for 15 years, and was captain for four years, and is now the head of Netball Australial. This year she added 'Queen of the Jungle' to her list of accolades, after winning her season of I'm A Celebrity, Get Me Out Of Here!

But as Liz herself shares, the hard work and determination that it takes to become a professional athlete can have surprising effects on your personal life. Liz and Jess swap stories about IVF, coping with failure, embracing chaos, and navigating mid-life and menopause.

CONTENT WARNING: This conversation touches on miscarriage, and fertility issues. If this content raises any issues for you, help is available by contacting Lifeline on 13 11 14 or SANDS on 1300 308 307.

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Host: Jessica Rowe
Guests: Liz Ellis
Executive Producer: Nic McClure
Audio Producer: Chris Marsh 
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