Conversations with Stephen Kamugasa
Conversations with Stephen Kamugasa

Conversations with Stephen Kamugasa

Stephen Kamugasa

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In 'Conversations with Stephen Kamugasa', Stephen Kamugasa leads thoughtful, bimonthly discussions on humanity, leadership, and citizenship. We aim to inspire action by uncovering coherent solutions to complex challenges. This podcast is designed for leaders, policymakers, academics, practitioners, and citizens who are passionate about creating positive change. Stephen Kamugasa, FRSA, host of the podcast, brings a unique and insightful perspective shaped by his diverse background as a non-practising barrister, author, and essayist. His personal journey as a former Ugandan refugee informs his work and provides a compelling foundation for the podcast's discussions. Discover more about Stephen at https://thekamugasachallenge.com/.

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Leadership In A Multipolar New World Order
DEC 13, 2025
Leadership In A Multipolar New World Order
In the podcast episode featuring Lord Peter Hain (https://www.peterhain.uk/p/about), the discussion revolves around the complexities of leadership in a multipolar world, particularly in the context of South Africa's historical and contemporary challenges. Hain's insights draw from his experiences as the child of anti-apartheid activists and his subsequent political career, emphasising the importance of integrity, justice, and the fight against corruption. Historical Context and Personal Experience Hain recounts his upbringing in Pretoria during the apartheid era, where his parents were actively involved in anti-apartheid activism. This background instilled in him a deep appreciation for justice and human rights, which has shaped his political career. He highlights the absurdities and brutalities of apartheid, illustrating how these experiences have influenced his commitment to fighting for justice, both in South Africa and globally. His activism as a teenager, particularly in organising protests against all-white South African sports tours (https://www.aamarchives.org/campaigns/sport.html), positioned him as a significant figure in the international sports boycott against apartheid. This early engagement in activism laid the groundwork for his later political endeavours, where he continued to advocate for justice and accountability. Combating Corruption A significant theme in Hain's narrative is the ongoing struggle against corruption, particularly in South Africa under former President Jacob Zuma (https://www.presidency.gov.za/former-president-jacob-zuma). He discusses how he was called upon by members of the African National Congress (ANC) (https://sahistory.org.za/article/african-national-congress-anc) to expose the corruption that had infiltrated the party and the government. Using parliamentary privilege, he was able to reveal the extensive money laundering and corruption linked to Zuma and the Gupta family (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-22513410), which had devastating effects on the country. Hain emphasises that corruption is not an isolated issue but a global problem that requires international cooperation to address. He points out that the financial systems in countries like the UK and the US are complicit in facilitating corruption through lax regulations and the existence of offshore tax havens. This complicity underscores the need for a concerted effort to combat corruption on a global scale, as it undermines the integrity of nations and their leadership. The Role of South Africa in the Global Order In the context of a multipolar world, Hain reflects on South Africa's position and its moral capital. He argues that while South Africa once stood as a global hero under Nelson Mandela (https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/peace/1993/mandela/biographical/), it has since fallen to a "near global zero" due to corruption and mismanagement. The country's current leadership faces the challenge of restoring its reputation and aligning itself with the values of justice and human rights that Mandela championed. Hain critiques South Africa's foreign policy, particularly its non-alignment stance, which he believes has led to a compromise of its integrity.
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Climate Leadership In A Multipolar New World Order
JUN 8, 2025
Climate Leadership In A Multipolar New World Order
Detailed Synopsis: In the podcast episode featuring Sir Jonathon Porritt, the discussion revolves around the pressing need for climate leadership in a rapidly changing global landscape characterised by a multipolar world order. Porritt emphasises the urgency of addressing climate change, highlighting that the time for action is not in the distant future but rather in the immediate decade ahead. This urgency is underscored by the recognition that governments and institutions often engage in what Porritt terms "institutional denial", where they acknowledge the science of climate change but fail to act on its implications. Institutional Denial and Its Implications Porritt explains that while outright denial of climate science is less common today, particularly outside the United States, there remains a significant reluctance among governments to accept the radical changes needed to combat climate change effectively. This denial manifests in a failure to engage the public meaningfully and to communicate the necessary policy changes across various sectors, including energy, transportation, and agriculture. The challenge lies in overcoming this institutional denial to foster a more proactive approach to climate policy. The Role of Young Activists A significant portion of the episode focuses on Porritt's work with young activists from the Just Stop Oil movement. He shares insights from his upcoming book, which captures the voices and experiences of these young individuals who are at the forefront of climate activism. Porritt emphasises the importance of intergenerational justice, urging older generations to understand the perspectives of young people who will bear the brunt of climate change impacts. The activists he worked with, many of whom have faced legal repercussions for their actions, embody a sense of urgency and commitment that Porritt finds inspiring. Global Context and Repression of ActivismThe episode also touches on the increasing repression of climate activism, particularly in the UK, where new laws have granted authorities unprecedented powers to silence dissent. Porritt notes that this trend is not unique to the UK, as similar crackdowns on climate protest are observed in various countries, including the United States. The international community's awareness of these repressive measures is crucial, as it can help support activists facing legal challenges in their respective countries. The Business Sector's Role Porritt discusses the limitations of the business sector in driving meaningful change, primarily due to the prevailing focus on shareholder primacy. While he acknowledges that businesses can advocate for better regulations and engage in sustainability efforts, he argues that they are often constrained by their obligations to maximise short-term profits. This reality highlights the need for systemic changes in economic structures and regulations to enable businesses to contribute more effectively to climate solutions.
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41 MIN