Leigh Ann Caldwell joins Peter to explain why Democrats are content to let the partial government shutdown drag on, convinced they’ve got the public on their side in the fight over ICE. Then they discuss the rise of Senator Katie Britt—and how her bright future in the G.O.P. could be endangered by Trump. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices