<description>&lt;p&gt;In episode 81, Chris and Emma mark four years of the podcast with a candid look at what’s changed—in themselves, their work, and their relationship to the theory.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Both faced challenges this year, and both noticed something striking: they handled it differently than they would have before. The theory has become a real-time companion rather than a post-mortem tool—dynamisms catching in the moment instead of being identified after the fact.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;They discuss:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;* The shift from analyzing crises afterward to navigating them as they unfold&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;* How relational resilience and genuine listening matter (with gratitude to &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://substack.com/profile/7797698-bee-mayhew"&gt;bee mayhew&lt;/a&gt; )&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;* What they’d do differently—never saying levels, prioritizing lived experience over expertise, better audio equipment&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;* Plans for 2026: more episodes featuring just the two of them, deeper dives into lived experience&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;* An announcement: they’re stepping away from the Dabrowski Congress to take a new direction&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The episode ends where the theory always points: shedding what’s less like us and moving toward greater autonomy.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Resources from this episode&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;* &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://youtu.be/p47KJiBi-IQ"&gt;Dabrowski 101&lt;/a&gt; (YouTube)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;* &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.positivedisintegration.org/p/autoethnography-for-personal-growth"&gt;Ep. 56: Autoethnography for Personal Growth&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;* &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.positivedisintegration.org/p/healing-through-writing"&gt;Ep. 72, Healing through Writing&lt;/a&gt; with Dr. Lil Jedynak (&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://substack.com/profile/232271539-the-gifted-experience"&gt;The Gifted Experience&lt;/a&gt;) &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;* &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://cosmiccheersquad.substack.com/"&gt;cosmic cheer squad&lt;/a&gt; podcast&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;* &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://pdapodcast.substack.com/"&gt;PDA: Resistance and Resilience&lt;/a&gt; podcast&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Connect with us&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;* &lt;a target="_blank" href="http://www.positivedisintegration.org/"&gt;Positive Disintegration on Substack&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;* Visit the &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://dabrowskicenter.org/"&gt;Dabrowski Center website&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;* &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.facebook.com/positivedisintegrationpod"&gt;Facebook&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;* &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.instagram.com/positivedisintegration_podcast/"&gt;Instagram&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;* The Positive Disintegration &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/@positivedisintegrationpodc401"&gt;YouTube Channel&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;* &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/424880678836389"&gt;Adults with Overexcitabilities&lt;/a&gt; group on Facebook&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;* &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.tragicgift.com/"&gt;The Tragic Gift blog&lt;/a&gt; by Emma&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;* Email us at positivedisintegration.pod@gmail.com&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;* Please consider donating to the &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://dabrowskicenter.org/"&gt;Dabrowski Center&lt;/a&gt;, a 501(c)(3) nonprofit.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;* Find &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.bonfire.com/store/dabrowski-center/"&gt;Positive Disintegration Merch&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;If you enjoyed this episode on &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/positive-disintegration-podcast/id1588576001"&gt;Apple&lt;/a&gt; or &lt;a target="_blank" href="https://spotify.link/vrfAiQIbFDb"&gt;Spotify&lt;/a&gt;, please remember to click on the stars and leave a rating or write a review. Thank you!&lt;/p&gt; &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit &lt;a href="https://www.positivedisintegration.org/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&amp;#38;utm_campaign=CTA_2"&gt;www.positivedisintegration.org/subscribe&lt;/a&gt;</description>

Positive Disintegration

Emma Nicholson and Chris Wells

Reflections at Year Four

DEC 9, 202559 MIN
Positive Disintegration

Reflections at Year Four

DEC 9, 202559 MIN

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<p>In episode 81, Chris and Emma mark four years of the podcast with a candid look at what’s changed—in themselves, their work, and their relationship to the theory.</p><p>Both faced challenges this year, and both noticed something striking: they handled it differently than they would have before. The theory has become a real-time companion rather than a post-mortem tool—dynamisms catching in the moment instead of being identified after the fact.</p><p>They discuss:</p><p>* The shift from analyzing crises afterward to navigating them as they unfold</p><p>* How relational resilience and genuine listening matter (with gratitude to <a target="_blank" href="https://substack.com/profile/7797698-bee-mayhew">bee mayhew</a> )</p><p>* What they’d do differently—never saying levels, prioritizing lived experience over expertise, better audio equipment</p><p>* Plans for 2026: more episodes featuring just the two of them, deeper dives into lived experience</p><p>* An announcement: they’re stepping away from the Dabrowski Congress to take a new direction</p><p>The episode ends where the theory always points: shedding what’s less like us and moving toward greater autonomy.</p><p><strong><em>Resources from this episode</em></strong></p><p>* <a target="_blank" href="https://youtu.be/p47KJiBi-IQ">Dabrowski 101</a> (YouTube)</p><p>* <a target="_blank" href="https://www.positivedisintegration.org/p/autoethnography-for-personal-growth">Ep. 56: Autoethnography for Personal Growth</a></p><p>* <a target="_blank" href="https://www.positivedisintegration.org/p/healing-through-writing">Ep. 72, Healing through Writing</a> with Dr. Lil Jedynak (<a target="_blank" href="https://substack.com/profile/232271539-the-gifted-experience">The Gifted Experience</a>) </p><p>* <a target="_blank" href="https://cosmiccheersquad.substack.com/">cosmic cheer squad</a> podcast</p><p>* <a target="_blank" href="https://pdapodcast.substack.com/">PDA: Resistance and Resilience</a> podcast</p><p><strong><em>Connect with us</em></strong></p><p>* <a target="_blank" href="http://www.positivedisintegration.org/">Positive Disintegration on Substack</a></p><p>* Visit the <a target="_blank" href="https://dabrowskicenter.org/">Dabrowski Center website</a></p><p>* <a target="_blank" href="https://www.facebook.com/positivedisintegrationpod">Facebook</a></p><p>* <a target="_blank" href="https://www.instagram.com/positivedisintegration_podcast/">Instagram</a></p><p>* The Positive Disintegration <a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/@positivedisintegrationpodc401">YouTube Channel</a></p><p>* <a target="_blank" href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/424880678836389">Adults with Overexcitabilities</a> group on Facebook</p><p>* <a target="_blank" href="https://www.tragicgift.com/">The Tragic Gift blog</a> by Emma</p><p>* Email us at [email protected]</p><p>* Please consider donating to the <a target="_blank" href="https://dabrowskicenter.org/">Dabrowski Center</a>, a 501(c)(3) nonprofit.</p><p>* Find <a target="_blank" href="https://www.bonfire.com/store/dabrowski-center/">Positive Disintegration Merch</a></p><p>If you enjoyed this episode on <a target="_blank" href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/positive-disintegration-podcast/id1588576001">Apple</a> or <a target="_blank" href="https://spotify.link/vrfAiQIbFDb">Spotify</a>, please remember to click on the stars and leave a rating or write a review. Thank you!</p> <br/><br/>This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit <a href="https://www.positivedisintegration.org/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&#38;utm_campaign=CTA_2">www.positivedisintegration.org/subscribe</a>