When Shift Happens Podcast

Michael Saylor is the Founder and Chairman of Strategy (formerly MicroStrategy), the world's largest corporate holder of Bitcoin with roughly 818,000 BTC and over $65 billion in capital. After surviving a 99.8% stock collapse that left his company three days from bankruptcy, he rebuilt it into a "reserve bank for Bitcoin" - issuing products like STRC that pay an 11.5% monthly dividend, tax-deferred. In this episode, he breaks down how to build lasting, passive wealth with Bitcoin, why he believes there's no second best in crypto, and why working hard may be the worst financial advice you can follow.THE SHIFT NEWSLETTER💡Go beyond the mic - subscribe to The Shift, my new weekly newsletter where I share the uncut stories, raw takes, and behind-the-scenes notes from When Shift Happens: https://www.kevinfollonier.com/crypto-web3-newsletter___________PARTNERS🚀 Jupiter is the most used Decentralized Exchange in Crypto and the largest DEX by volume on Solana: https://jup.ag/💳 KAST lets you manage and spend stablecoins or crypto with a Visa Card or Apple Pay. Live in 100+ countries - Get $20 Signup Bonus - https://go.kast.xyz/VqVO/SHIFT - promo code: SHIFT🔓 Trezor offers the safest cold-storage wallets for crypto and true financial independence. Buy with 10% off - promo code: WSH10 - https://affil.trezor.io/SH12h🌱 Bitwise Asset Management manages $15B+ across 30+ crypto investment products — ETFs, index funds, alpha, staking, and more. https://bitwiseinvestments.com/⚖️ Ethena is a synthetic dollar protocol on Ethereum, offering a crypto-native, non-bank-dependent stablecoin called USDe. It uses a delta-neutral hedging strategy with staked ETH to maintain a $1 peg. https://ethena.fi/🔒Sumsub is the leading full-cycle verification platform for the crypto industry, chosen by 8 out of 10 of the world’s largest exchanges. From instant KYC and KYB to automated crypto transaction monitoring, they help VASPs, exchanges, and DeFi platforms prevent fraud, stay compliant, and scale globally. Download the Sumsub Crypto Industry Report 2026 here: https://sumsub.link/osb♾️ Coinsilium provides vital funding and expert advice to Web3 and AI-powered early-stage technology companies. https://www.coinsilium.com___________FOLLOW MICHAEL SAYLOR• Twitter: https://x.com/saylor• Twitter: https://x.com/StrategyFOLLOW WHEN SHIFT HAPPENSTwitter (X): https://x.com/KevinWSHPod  Instagram:  https://www.instagram.com/kevinfollonier_ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@kevinfollonier_Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinfollonier/Website: https://kevinfollonier.com/DISCLAIMERThe info contained herein is for informational purposes only. Nothing herein shall be construed to be financial, legal, or tax advice. The content of this video is solely the opinions of the speakers who are not a licensed financial advisor or registered investment advisor. Trading cryptocurrencies poses considerable risk of loss. The speakers do not guarantee any particular outcome.00:00 Intro03:05 Explain what you do to an Uber driver05:35 Advice for Rick, the struggling Uber driver07:07 Who is Michael Saylor?11:02 Sponsors Trezor & Bitwise11:48 Kevin's Business Intelligence Company13:14 Michael's childhood and chip on the shoulder17:56 Has Michael conquered the world yet?19:49 Just because you can, doesn't mean you should28:23 Sponsors Kast, Sumsub30:02 Low time preference and scarcity1:01:31 Should you mortage your house to buy Bitcoin?1:09:50 The great $60B in Bitcoin bet: risks1:15:32 Sponsors Jupiter, Ethena1:16:16 Sell the kidney if you must but keep the Bitcoin1:20:14 What's the endgame for Strategy?1:28:16 Where does Bitcoin price end?1:35:34 Should my mom put her life savings in STRC?1:59:09 Why Michael doesn't have children1:59:44 Why working hard is the worst advice you can get2:07:37 Why THERE IS NO SECOND BEST, there is only one crypto asset2:15:03 Thanking Michael from the whole crypto industry

Eddie Travia is the co-founder and CEO of Coinsilium Group, the first blockchain company to complete an IPO, and a pioneering crypto investor since 2013.In this episode, Eddie breaks down how AI agents and crypto are converging into a $15 trillion shift that will reshape investing, fundraising, and entrepreneurship - and explains why millions of jobs won't survive the transition.THE SHIFT NEWSLETTER💡Go beyond the mic - subscribe to The Shift, my new weekly newsletter where I share the uncut stories, raw takes, and behind-the-scenes notes from When Shift Happens: https://www.kevinfollonier.com/crypto-web3-newsletter___________PARTNERS🚀 Jupiter is the most used Decentralized Exchange in Crypto and the largest DEX by volume on Solana: https://jup.ag/💳 KAST lets you manage and spend stablecoins or crypto with a Visa Card or Apple Pay. Live in 100+ countries - Get $20 Signup Bonus - https://go.kast.xyz/VqVO/SHIFT - promo code: SHIFT🔓 Trezor offers the safest cold-storage wallets for crypto and true financial independence. Buy with 10% off - promo code: WSH10 - https://affil.trezor.io/SH12h🌱 Bitwise Asset Management manages $15B+ across 30+ crypto investment products — ETFs, index funds, alpha, staking, and more. https://bitwiseinvestments.com/⚖️ Ethena is a synthetic dollar protocol on Ethereum, offering a crypto-native, non-bank-dependent stablecoin called USDe. It uses a delta-neutral hedging strategy with staked ETH to maintain a $1 peg. https://ethena.fi/🔒Sumsub is the leading full-cycle verification platform for the crypto industry, chosen by 8 out of 10 of the world’s largest exchanges. From instant KYC and KYB to automated crypto transaction monitoring, they help VASPs, exchanges, and DeFi platforms prevent fraud, stay compliant, and scale globally. Download the Sumsub Crypto Industry Report 2026 here: https://sumsub.link/osb♾️ Coinsilium provides vital funding and expert advice to Web3 and AI-powered early-stage technology companies. https://www.coinsilium.com___________FOLLOW EDDY TRAVIA• Twitter: https://x.com/eddybitcoin• Twitter: https://x.com/CoinsiliumGroupFOLLOW WHEN SHIFT HAPPENSTwitter (X): https://x.com/KevinWSHPod  Instagram:  https://www.instagram.com/kevinfollonier_ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@kevinfollonier_Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinfollonier/Website: https://kevinfollonier.com/DISCLAIMERThe info contained herein is for informational purposes only. Nothing herein shall be construed to be financial, legal, or tax advice. The content of this video is solely the opinions of the speakers who are not a licensed financial advisor or registered investment advisor. Trading cryptocurrencies poses considerable risk of loss. The speakers do not guarantee any particular outcome.0:00 Introduction1:56 Tea & Coffee Discussion5:25 If Eddy Got $10 Million Today, What Would He Do6:42 Why Does Crypto Make Sense In A World Crisis8:00 Partnerships: @JupiterExchange @KASTxyz8:41 Who Is Eddy Travia?8:57 Why Eddy Backed WSH Early?10:04 What Is Coinsilium Explained Through An Analogy10:40 What Coinsilium Dealt With Last Year13:33 What Did Coinsilium Do Right In 2025 Despite The Criticism17:27 The Yellow Network Bet20:10 Why Yellow Matters?20:46 Partnerships: @Ethena @sumsub21:49 Eddy’s Further Thoughts On The Yellow Investment22:28 Has Anything Good Come Out Of Crypto Lately?24:08 Why You Need To Be A VC To Win In Crypto27:27 How To Play Prediction Markets30:23 How to Position For High-Traction Markets32:55 How The Investor Environment Is Changing40:02 How This Changes Eddy's Investing41:42 What Companies Should Know About The AI Agents Era44:15 How AI Agents Change Fundraising46:08 Should The Crypto Industry Fear The AI Brain Drain48:24 Partnerships: @Trezor @BitwiseInvest49:08 Is Eddy Still Bullish On Crypto?51:03 Is The $1M Bitcoin Dream Dead?53:54 Closing Thoughts

Joseph Lubin, co-founder of Ethereum and CEO of Consensys, warns that big tech is racing to build centralized AI systems that could control humans and every system on the planet - and explains why decentralized protocols are the only architecture standing in the way.THE SHIFT NEWSLETTER💡Go beyond the mic - subscribe to The Shift, my new weekly newsletter where I share the uncut stories, raw takes, and behind-the-scenes notes from When Shift Happens: https://www.kevinfollonier.com/crypto-web3-newsletter___________PARTNERS🚀 Jupiter is the most used Decentralized Exchange in Crypto and the largest DEX by volume on Solana: https://jup.ag/💳 KAST lets you manage and spend stablecoins or crypto with a Visa Card or Apple Pay. Live in 100+ countries - Get $20 Signup Bonus - https://go.kast.xyz/VqVO/SHIFT - promo code: SHIFT🔓 Trezor offers the safest cold-storage wallets for crypto and true financial independence. Buy with 10% off - promo code: WSH10 - https://affil.trezor.io/SH12h🌱 Bitwise Asset Management manages $15B+ across 30+ crypto investment products — ETFs, index funds, alpha, staking, and more. https://bitwiseinvestments.com/⚖️ Ethena is a synthetic dollar protocol on Ethereum, offering a crypto-native, non-bank-dependent stablecoin called USDe. It uses a delta-neutral hedging strategy with staked ETH to maintain a $1 peg. https://ethena.fi/🔒Sumsub is the leading full-cycle verification platform for the crypto industry, chosen by 8 out of 10 of the world’s largest exchanges. From instant KYC and KYB to automated crypto transaction monitoring, they help VASPs, exchanges, and DeFi platforms prevent fraud, stay compliant, and scale globally. Download the Sumsub Crypto Industry Report 2026 here: https://sumsub.link/osb♾️ Coinsilium provides vital funding and expert advice to Web3 and AI-powered early-stage technology companies. https://www.coinsilium.com___________FOLLOW JOSEPH LUBIN• Twitter: https://x.com/ethereumJoseph• Twitter: https://x.com/ConsensysFOLLOW WHEN SHIFT HAPPENSTwitter (X): https://x.com/KevinWSHPod  Instagram:  https://www.instagram.com/kevinfollonier_ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@kevinfollonier_Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinfollonier/Website: https://kevinfollonier.com/DISCLAIMERThe info contained herein is for informational purposes only. Nothing herein shall be construed to be financial, legal, or tax advice. The content of this video is solely the opinions of the speakers who are not a licensed financial advisor or registered investment advisor. Trading cryptocurrencies poses considerable risk of loss. The speakers do not guarantee any particular outcome.0:00 Introduction1:55 Kast Card & Hong Kong Discussion3:52 What It Means To Be Meta According To Joe5:35 What Does Joe Do Explained Simply11:53 Partnerships: @JupiterExchange @KASTxyz16:27 The Before & After Of Joe’s Beliefs Post 9/11 Explained18:02 What Does This Negative Or Positive Road Depend On21:55 Why Joe Goes To Many Crypto Conferences23:16 How Did Joe React To Novo’s Article Comment31:14 Partnerships: @Ethena @sumsub32:16 Why Joe Decided To Join Ethereum As A Co-Founder35:03 Why Is Decentralization An Organizing Principle40:32 Explain Consensys To Your Uber Driver42:57 Joe’s Fundamental Belief Of What Blockchain Represents Today46:49 Every Innovation On Technology Brings Side Effects That Should Be Fixed49:33 Partnerships: @Trezor @BitwiseInvest50:17 What’s The Most Incredible, Tangible Thing To Come Out Of Crypto51:43 What Is MetaMask?57:01 How Much Of Joe’s Life Is Lived In This New Financial System59:50 Why Would You Borrow Against A Volatile Asset?1:00:40 Is Self-Sovereignty A Good Or Bad Thing1:05:57 Joe’s Response To People Who Claim Self-Custody Is Too Risky1:06:36 What Could Easier Self-Custody Look Like?1:08:32 Joe’s Relationship With Money1:09:28 How Do People Interact With Money In The Next 10 Years1:12:28 Closing Thoughts

Hunter Horsley, co-founder and CEO of Bitwise Asset Management, makes the case that this is the most bullish moment in crypto's entire history - with major banks scrambling to catch up and every structural tailwind pointing in the same direction.From the $400 trillion in global assets beginning to shift toward crypto, to institutions going "zero to 500 miles an hour" on adoption, Hunter breaks down why the new era of crypto is already underway and why it's not too late to be early.THE SHIFT NEWSLETTER💡Go beyond the mic - subscribe to The Shift, my new weekly newsletter where I share the uncut stories, raw takes, and behind-the-scenes notes from When Shift Happens: https://www.kevinfollonier.com/crypto-web3-newsletter___________PARTNERS🚀 Jupiter is the most used Decentralized Exchange in Crypto and the largest DEX by volume on Solana: https://jup.ag/💳 KAST lets you manage and spend stablecoins or crypto with a Visa Card or Apple Pay. Live in 100+ countries - Get $20 Signup Bonus - https://go.kast.xyz/VqVO/SHIFT - promo code: SHIFT🔓 Trezor offers the safest cold-storage wallets for crypto and true financial independence. Buy with 10% off - promo code: WSH10 - https://affil.trezor.io/SH12h🌱 Bitwise Asset Management manages $15B+ across 30+ crypto investment products — ETFs, index funds, alpha, staking, and more. https://bitwiseinvestments.com/⚖️ Ethena is a synthetic dollar protocol on Ethereum, offering a crypto-native, non-bank-dependent stablecoin called USDe. It uses a delta-neutral hedging strategy with staked ETH to maintain a $1 peg. https://ethena.fi/🔒Sumsub is the leading full-cycle verification platform for the crypto industry, chosen by 8 out of 10 of the world’s largest exchanges. From instant KYC and KYB to automated crypto transaction monitoring, they help VASPs, exchanges, and DeFi platforms prevent fraud, stay compliant, and scale globally. https://sumsub.com/♾️ Coinsilium provides vital funding and expert advice to Web3 and AI-powered early-stage technology companies. https://www.coinsilium.com___________FOLLOW HUNTER HORSLEY• Twitter: https://x.com/hhorsley• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hunter-horsley-11512721FOLLOW BITWISE• Twitter: https://x.com/BitwiseInvest• Website: bitwiseinvestments.comFOLLOW WHEN SHIFT HAPPENSTwitter (X): https://x.com/KevinWSHPod  Instagram:  https://www.instagram.com/kevinfollonier_ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@kevinfollonier_Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinfollonier/Website: https://kevinfollonier.com/DISCLAIMERThe info contained herein is for informational purposes only. Nothing herein shall be construed to be financial, legal, or tax advice. The content of this video is solely the opinions of the speakers who are not a licensed financial advisor or registered investment advisor. Trading cryptocurrencies poses considerable risk of loss. The speakers do not guarantee any particular outcome.0:00 Introduction1:55 Coffee & Swiss People Discussion3:36 Is Hunter The ADHD Guy, The Operator, Or A Mix Of Them Both7:28 Partnerships: @JupiterExchange @KASTxyz8:08 How Hunter’s Relationship With Avichal Led To Bitwise’s Creation11:28 The Advantages Of Being Based In San Francisco17:56 Why Will Crypto Eat Capital Markets In The Next 12 Months21:22 Key Trends Within Institutions That Keep Hunter Optimistic About Crypto’s Future24:19 Partnerships: @Ethena @sumsub25:21 Hunters Response To “I Missed The Bitcoin Opportunity”30:17 Hunter’s Thoughts On Thinking Exponentially About Crypto’s Growth 35:58 How Are People Underestimating Bitcoins Usage Over The Next 10 Years38:24 Crypto Is Creating A New Class That Thinks Differently About Money, Explained46:17 Partnerships: @Trezor @BitwiseInvest47:01 What’s Relevant For 25-50 Year Old Investors who Aren’t Crypto Savvy52:02 Why You Should Watch When Shift Happens57:31 Closing Thoughts

Ben Zhou, co-founder and CEO of Bybit, reveals how he led the company back from the biggest crypto theft in history - filling the $1.5 billion hole in just 8 months while still paying bonuses and dividends.THE SHIFT NEWSLETTER💡Go beyond the mic - subscribe to The Shift, my new weekly newsletter where I share the uncut stories, raw takes, and behind-the-scenes notes from When Shift Happens: https://www.kevinfollonier.com/crypto-web3-newsletter___________PARTNERS🚀 Jupiter is the most used Decentralized Exchange in Crypto and the largest DEX by volume on Solana: https://jup.ag/💳 KAST lets you manage and spend stablecoins or crypto with a Visa Card or Apple Pay. Live in 100+ countries: https://go.kast.xyz/VqVO/SHIFT🔓 Trezor offers the safest cold-storage wallets for crypto and true financial independence. Buy with 10% off (promo code in video): https://trezor.io/?transaction_id=102...🌱 Bitwise Asset Management manages $15B+ across 30+ crypto investment products — ETFs, index funds, alpha, staking, and more. https://bitwiseinvestments.com/⚖️ Ethena is a synthetic dollar protocol on Ethereum, offering a crypto-native, non-bank-dependent stablecoin called USDe. It uses a delta-neutral hedging strategy with staked ETH to maintain a $1 peg. https://ethena.fi/🔒Sumsub is the leading full-cycle verification platform for the crypto industry, chosen by 8 out of 10 of the world’s largest exchanges. From instant KYC and KYB to automated crypto transaction monitoring, they help VASPs, exchanges, and DeFi platforms prevent fraud, stay compliant, and scale globally. https://sumsub.com/💧 Sui is a next-gen Layer 1 making digital asset ownership fast, private, and secure. https://sui.io/♾️ Coinsilium provides vital funding and expert advice to Web3 and AI-powered early-stage technology companies. https://www.coinsilium.com___________FOLLOW BEN ZHOU & BYBIT• Twitter: https://twitter.com/benbybit• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-zhou-b979ba28• Twitter: https://twitter.com/Bybit_OfficialFOLLOW WHEN SHIFT HAPPENSTwitter (X): https://x.com/KevinWSHPod  Instagram:  https://www.instagram.com/kevinfollonier_ Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinfollonier/Website: https://kevinfollonier.com/DISCLAIMERThe info contained herein is for informational purposes only. Nothing herein shall be construed to be financial, legal, or tax advice. The content of this video is solely the opinions of the speakers who are not a licensed financial advisor or registered investment advisor. Trading cryptocurrencies poses considerable risk of loss. The speakers do not guarantee any particular outcome.0:00 Introduction1:39 Please Subscribe2:04 Why Ben Is Meeting With Prime Ministers5:52 Partnerships: @JupiterExchange @KASTxyz6:32 The Most Fun Part About Building In Crypto 8:16 Why Ben Would Go On A Podcast 3 Days After Losing $1.5B11:00 How Does ByBit Use AI To Run Their Business17:47 How Do You Measure A $150 Million F1 Sponsorship Deal21:47 Why Did ByBit Sponsor The Stockholm Opens23:07 Why Ben Is So Hands On Consistently With ByBit Decisions25:33 Partnerships: @Ethena @sumsub30:20 Ben’s Message To Anyone Dealing With A Big Crisis36:51 How Big Is ByBit Today In Terms Of Key Numbers37:38 How Do You Take ByBit To The Next Level Beyond39:09 What’s The Endgame For ByBit40:03 What Is Byreal42:34 Does Ben See A World Where DEXes Takeover CEXes43:13 What Is ByBit Doing With Ethena46:05 Ben’s Opinions On Hyperliquid As A Competitor49:34 Partnerships: @Trezor @BitwiseInvest @SuiNetwork50:30 What’s ByBit Doing To Prepare For An AI Driven World56:57 What Makes Ben Happy57:21 Does Ben Feel Happier Now That He’s Worth A Lot Of Money58:30 One Thing Ben Is Holding Onto That He Should Let Go Of59:04 What Ben Does With His Money Investing Wise1:02:58 One Thing Ben’s Learned That You Can Takeaway Today1:04:11 Who Is Ben Zhou1:06:20 Closing Thoughts