Kurt Madsen has been building cold storage for 21 years, but years ago, something shifted. What once drove him — the physical pride of finished buildings — gave way to something unexpected: caring more about the people he's helped grow than the projects he's completed. In this episode, Kurt (VP of Cold Storage and Distribution at Hanson Rice) walks through his journey from hotel construction burnout to discovering cold storage at a Walmart distribution center outside Reno, where a mentor named Harry Farrar grabbed hold of him and showed him the ropes. We talk about why Hanson Rice has stayed in business since 1983, how they've built over 30 million square feet, what's actually evolving in cold storage (spoiler: refrigeration systems, not design), and why Kurt — the 'gray hair at the table' — was blown away by AI on a weekend. But the real story is the confession that lands near the end: 'A number of years ago, that changed, and it became about the people.' A veteran builder's career isn't measured by square footage — it's measured by who he lifted up along the way.❄️ Cool Takeaways:The Hotel Burnout That Launched Cold Storage — Kurt left his father's construction company to build hotels, but by 2005, administrative work (collecting money, dealing with insurance, legal stuff) had replaced actual construction. A Walmart distribution center project in Reno changed everything. Harry Farrar's Mentorship — The Real Origin Story — Kurt's general superintendent grabbed hold of him and showed him the behind-the-scenes details, the ropes, the fast pace. This mentor relationship became the soil from which everything else grew over 21 years. Hanson Rice's 'Partner Over Subcontractor' Philosophy — With 85% repeat business and 30M+ square feet built, Hanson Rice doesn't view subcontractors as one-and-done. 'If they don't succeed, we don't succeed.' Mutual goals. Long-term relationships. It starts with prequalification (Compass) and honoring partnership. Refrigeration Is the Only Real Evolution in 21 Years — Panels, concrete, vapor barriers — same details for decades. But refrigeration has exploded: ammonia to synthetics to glycol to CO2 cascading systems. Kurt predicts CO2 will become cost-competitive with ammonia in the next 5 years. The Gray Hair Learning AI & Being Blown Away — Kurt resisted AI for years ('I'm old-fashioned, don't like change'). Then he threw a proposal into ChatGPT, gave it prompts, and 'it generated some stuff that just blew me away.' Weeks of work done in minutes. He admits: 'Why haven't I been doing this sooner?' Five Projects, One RV, One Proud Year — Albertsons — Ten years ago, Kurt oversaw an Albertsons program: five simultaneous projects (Portland, two in Southern California, Arizona, Lubbock) all different scopes. He lived in an RV for a year, traveling between locations. 'It was really gratifying and stands out in my mind as a really good project.' A Number of Years Ago, That Changed, and It Became About the People' — Kurt's confession: he used to need the physical satisfaction of seeing a finished building. Now, watching homegrown talent succeed — people he's mentored from entry level — is what actually keeps him in the chair. 'Knowing or hoping I had a little bit to do with that is really what it's about for me.'🎯 Sponsored By:Rytec High Performance Doorshttps://www.rytecdoors.com/