Alex and Jae spent the last month trying to find the source of a tale we first heard back in season two. Is the poop story gossip? An urban legend? Guerilla marketing perpetrated on us all by Big Toilet? All of the above?

You can support Normal Gossip directly by buying <a href="https://defectorstore.com/collections/normal-gossip" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">merch</a> or becoming a Friend or a Friend-of-Friend at <a href="https://defector.com/products/normalgossip" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">supportnormalgossip.com</a>.

Our merch shop is run by Dan McQuade. You can also find all kinds of info about us and how to submit gossip on our Komi page: <a href="https://normalgossip.komi.io/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://normalgossip.komi.io/</a>

Episode transcript <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1i5EivwzN4D7wGhvZijVJ42Gntf01hbNJg7wZ-W1xRAs/edit?usp=sharing" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">here</a>.

Follow the show on Instagram <a href="https://www.instagram.com/normalgossip/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@normalgossip</a>, and if you have gossip, email us at <a href="mailto:normalgossip@defector.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">normalgossip@defector.com</a> or leave us a voicemail at 26-79-GOSSIP.

Normal Gossip is hosted by Kelsey McKinney (<a href="https://www.instagram.com/mckinneykelsey/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@mckinneykelsey</a>) and produced by Alex Sujong Laughlin (<a href="https://www.instagram.com/alexlaughs/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@alexlaughs</a>). Jae Towle Vieira (<a href="https://instagram.com/jaetowlevieira?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@jaetowlevieira</a>) is our associate producer. Abigail Segel (<a href="https://twitter.com/AbigailSegel" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@AbigailSegel</a>) is our intern. Justin Ellis is Defector's projects editor.

Show art by Tara Jacoby.

Normal Gossip is a proud member of <a href="https://www.radiotopia.fm/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Radiotopia</a>.

<description>
 &lt;p&gt;Alex and Jae spent the last month trying to find the source of a tale we first heard back in season two. Is the poop story gossip? An urban legend? Guerilla marketing perpetrated on us all by Big Toilet? All of the above?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You can support Normal Gossip directly by buying &lt;a href="https://defectorstore.com/collections/normal-gossip" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"&gt;merch&lt;/a&gt; or becoming a Friend or a Friend-of-Friend at &lt;a href="https://defector.com/products/normalgossip" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"&gt;supportnormalgossip.com&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Our merch shop is run by Dan McQuade. You can also find all kinds of info about us and how to submit gossip on our Komi page: &lt;a href="https://normalgossip.komi.io/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"&gt;https://normalgossip.komi.io/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Episode transcript &lt;a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1i5EivwzN4D7wGhvZijVJ42Gntf01hbNJg7wZ-W1xRAs/edit?usp=sharing" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Follow the show on Instagram &lt;a href="https://www.instagram.com/normalgossip/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"&gt;@normalgossip&lt;/a&gt;, and if you have gossip, email us at &lt;a href="mailto:normalgossip@defector.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"&gt;normalgossip@defector.com&lt;/a&gt; or leave us a voicemail at 26-79-GOSSIP.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Normal Gossip is hosted by Kelsey McKinney (&lt;a href="https://www.instagram.com/mckinneykelsey/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"&gt;@mckinneykelsey&lt;/a&gt;) and produced by Alex Sujong Laughlin (&lt;a href="https://www.instagram.com/alexlaughs/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"&gt;@alexlaughs&lt;/a&gt;). Jae Towle Vieira (&lt;a href="https://instagram.com/jaetowlevieira?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"&gt;@jaetowlevieira&lt;/a&gt;) is our associate producer. Abigail Segel (&lt;a href="https://twitter.com/AbigailSegel" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"&gt;@AbigailSegel&lt;/a&gt;) is our intern. Justin Ellis is Defector's projects editor.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Show art by Tara Jacoby.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Normal Gossip is a proud member of &lt;a href="https://www.radiotopia.fm/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"&gt;Radiotopia&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
 </description>

Is the poop story gossip? An urban legend? Guerilla marketing perpetrated on us all by Big Toilet? All of the above?

Alex and Jae spent the last month trying to find the source of a tale we first heard back in season two. Is the poop story gossip? An urban legend? Guerilla marketing perpetrated on us all by Big Toilet? All of the above?

You can support Normal Gossip directly by buying <a href="https://defectorstore.com/collections/normal-gossip" target="_blank">merch</a> or becoming a Friend or a Friend-of-Friend at <a href="https://defector.com/products/normalgossip" target="_blank">supportnormalgossip.com</a>.

Our merch shop is run by Dan McQuade. You can also find all kinds of info about us and how to submit gossip on our Komi page: <a href="https://normalgossip.komi.io/" target="_blank">https://normalgossip.komi.io/</a>

Episode transcript <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1i5EivwzN4D7wGhvZijVJ42Gntf01hbNJg7wZ-W1xRAs/edit?usp=sharing" target="_blank">here</a>.

Follow the show on Instagram <a href="https://www.instagram.com/normalgossip/" target="_blank">@normalgossip</a>, and if you have gossip, email us at <a href="mailto:normalgossip@defector.com" target="_blank">normalgossip@defector.com</a> or leave us a voicemail at 26-79-GOSSIP.

Normal Gossip is hosted by Kelsey McKinney (<a href="https://www.instagram.com/mckinneykelsey/" target="_blank">@mckinneykelsey</a>) and produced by Alex Sujong Laughlin (<a href="https://www.instagram.com/alexlaughs/" target="_blank">@alexlaughs</a>). Jae Towle Vieira (<a href="https://instagram.com/jaetowlevieira?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==" target="_blank">@jaetowlevieira</a>) is our associate producer. Abigail Segel (<a href="https://twitter.com/AbigailSegel" target="_blank">@AbigailSegel</a>) is our intern. Justin Ellis is Defector's projects editor.

Show art by Tara Jacoby.

Normal Gossip is a proud member of <a href="https://www.radiotopia.fm/" target="_blank">Radiotopia</a>.

Normal Gossip Investigates: The Poop Story

Popping into your feeds for a cute lil announcement — we are going on a mini tour this spring! Come see us in Dallas, Atlanta, Durham, and D.C.

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Show art by Tara Jacoby.

Normal Gossip is a proud member of <a href="https://www.radiotopia.fm/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Radiotopia</a>.

<description>
 &lt;p&gt;Popping into your feeds for a cute lil announcement — we are going on a mini tour this spring! Come see us in Dallas, Atlanta, Durham, and D.C.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Get your tickets: &lt;a href="https://www.normalgossiplive.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"&gt;https://www.normalgossiplive.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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&lt;p&gt;And we'll see you for our new season in April!&lt;/p&gt;

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&lt;p&gt;Episode transcript &lt;a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SlfPPB6i_ekgDudnNzU6m3ss2KtOdyFhxgvZxPfqZcc/edit?usp=sharing" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Follow the show on Instagram &lt;a href="https://www.instagram.com/normalgossip/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"&gt;@normalgossip&lt;/a&gt;, and if you have gossip, email us at &lt;a href="mailto:normalgossip@defector.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"&gt;normalgossip@defector.com&lt;/a&gt; or leave us a voicemail at 26-79-GOSSIP.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Normal Gossip is hosted by Kelsey McKinney (&lt;a href="https://www.instagram.com/mckinneykelsey/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"&gt;@mckinneykelsey&lt;/a&gt;) and produced by Alex Sujong Laughlin (&lt;a href="https://www.instagram.com/alexlaughs/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"&gt;@alexlaughs&lt;/a&gt;). Jae Towle Vieira (&lt;a href="https://instagram.com/jaetowlevieira?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"&gt;@jaetowlevieira&lt;/a&gt;) is our associate producer. Abigail Segel (&lt;a href="https://twitter.com/AbigailSegel" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"&gt;@AbigailSegel&lt;/a&gt;) is our intern. Justin Ellis is Defector's projects editor.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Show art by Tara Jacoby.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Normal Gossip is a proud member of &lt;a href="https://www.radiotopia.fm/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"&gt;Radiotopia&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
 </description>

Popping into your feeds for a cute lil announcement — we are going on a mini tour this spring! 

Popping into your feeds for a cute lil announcement — we are going on a mini tour this spring! Come see us in Dallas, Atlanta, Durham, and D.C.

Get your tickets: <a href="https://www.normalgossiplive.com/" target="_blank">https://www.normalgossiplive.com/</a>

If you want us to come to your city, <a href="https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSebcJvmNoVO2_Tm72xYp6YF3voE8N4J1U5zqjV3GLJ_vpnTGQ/viewform?fbclid=PAAaajA01nug7qCuZLoSwwaWHLLIFWV31vkAED_eH5-xxefv29IG75Vg2DiuU_aem_AU02-qvAbhi9aDlYYw5YjGzumb7AIq-wEHKvmSw3sp9ynU9nz_fdXvNYnNJ81wy6azc" target="_blank">fill out our zip code survey!</a>

And we'll see you for our new season in April!

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Normal Gossip is hosted by Kelsey McKinney (<a href="https://www.instagram.com/mckinneykelsey/" target="_blank">@mckinneykelsey</a>) and produced by Alex Sujong Laughlin (<a href="https://www.instagram.com/alexlaughs/" target="_blank">@alexlaughs</a>). Jae Towle Vieira (<a href="https://instagram.com/jaetowlevieira?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==" target="_blank">@jaetowlevieira</a>) is our associate producer. Abigail Segel (<a href="https://twitter.com/AbigailSegel" target="_blank">@AbigailSegel</a>) is our intern. Justin Ellis is Defector's projects editor.

Show art by Tara Jacoby.

Normal Gossip is a proud member of <a href="https://www.radiotopia.fm/" target="_blank">Radiotopia</a>.

A little announcement 🐥

Defector editor David Roth joins us for our SEASON FINALE! We're about to dive into the stupidest election drama you've ever heard.

If you love Roth, check out his podcast, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-distraction-a-defector-podcast/id1525039108" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">The Distraction</a>!

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Follow the show on Instagram <a href="https://www.instagram.com/normalgossip/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@normalgossip</a>, and if you have gossip, email us at <a href="mailto:normalgossip@defector.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">normalgossip@defector.com</a> or leave us a voicemail at 26-79-GOSSIP.

Normal Gossip is hosted by Kelsey McKinney (<a href="https://www.instagram.com/mckinneykelsey/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@mckinneykelsey</a>) and produced by Alex Sujong Laughlin (<a href="https://www.instagram.com/alexlaughs/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@alexlaughs</a>). Jae Towle Vieira (<a href="https://instagram.com/jaetowlevieira?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@jaetowlevieira</a>) is our associate producer. Abigail Segel (<a href="https://twitter.com/AbigailSegel" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">@AbigailSegel</a>) is our intern. Justin Ellis is Defector's projects editor.

Credits read by Emma Deshpande.

Show art by Tara Jacoby.

Normal Gossip is a proud member of <a href="https://www.radiotopia.fm/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Radiotopia</a>.

<description>
 &lt;p&gt;Defector editor David Roth joins us for our SEASON FINALE! We're about to dive into the stupidest election drama you've ever heard.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If you love Roth, check out his podcast, &lt;a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-distraction-a-defector-podcast/id1525039108" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"&gt;The Distraction&lt;/a&gt;!&lt;/p&gt;

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&lt;p&gt;You can also find all kinds of info about us and how to submit gossip on our Komi page: &lt;a href="https://normalgossip.komi.io/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"&gt;https://normalgossip.komi.io/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Episode transcript &lt;a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yRXtxgSlxmpfTB9nWCWcYaZcisjw5r1ADkTJd6j8OSE/edit?usp=sharing" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Follow the show on Instagram &lt;a href="https://www.instagram.com/normalgossip/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"&gt;@normalgossip&lt;/a&gt;, and if you have gossip, email us at &lt;a href="mailto:normalgossip@defector.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"&gt;normalgossip@defector.com&lt;/a&gt; or leave us a voicemail at 26-79-GOSSIP.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Normal Gossip is hosted by Kelsey McKinney (&lt;a href="https://www.instagram.com/mckinneykelsey/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"&gt;@mckinneykelsey&lt;/a&gt;) and produced by Alex Sujong Laughlin (&lt;a href="https://www.instagram.com/alexlaughs/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"&gt;@alexlaughs&lt;/a&gt;). Jae Towle Vieira (&lt;a href="https://instagram.com/jaetowlevieira?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"&gt;@jaetowlevieira&lt;/a&gt;) is our associate producer. Abigail Segel (&lt;a href="https://twitter.com/AbigailSegel" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"&gt;@AbigailSegel&lt;/a&gt;) is our intern. Justin Ellis is Defector's projects editor.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Credits read by Emma Deshpande.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Show art by Tara Jacoby.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Normal Gossip is a proud member of &lt;a href="https://www.radiotopia.fm/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"&gt;Radiotopia&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
 </description>

Defector editor David Roth joins us for our SEASON FINALE! We're about to dive into the stupidest election drama you've ever heard.

Defector editor David Roth joins us for our SEASON FINALE! We're about to dive into the stupidest election drama you've ever heard.

If you love Roth, check out his podcast, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-distraction-a-defector-podcast/id1525039108" target="_blank">The Distraction</a>!

<a href="https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeckbYr50jxEH97radsR7DH9Kl-0bFNjqNNxvKwDG1k5Nn6aA/viewform" target="_blank">Sign up to hear Normal Gossip's next secret here</a>.

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Credits read by Emma Deshpande.

Show art by Tara Jacoby.

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Splitting the Dog Vote with David Roth

Survivor 41 winner Erika Casupanan joins us this week for a story about the perils of gossiping at work.

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 &lt;p&gt;Survivor 41 winner Erika Casupanan joins us this week for a story about the perils of gossiping at work.&lt;/p&gt;

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Survivor 41 winner Erika Casupanan joins us this week for a story about the perils of gossiping at work.

Survivor 41 winner Erika Casupanan joins us this week for a story about the perils of gossiping at work.

Listen to Erika's podcast, <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/happy-to-see-me-with-erika-casupanan/id1667189595" target="_blank">Happy to See Me</a>!

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Getting Frisky at the Black Rose with Erika Casupanan

Hayes Brown joins us to learn just how deranged the world of upscale dog grooming can be.

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 &lt;p&gt;Hayes Brown joins us to learn just how deranged the world of upscale dog grooming can be.&lt;/p&gt;

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Hayes Brown joins us to learn just how deranged the world of upscale dog grooming can be.

Hayes Brown joins us to learn just how deranged the world of upscale dog grooming can be.

Follow Hayes on Twitter <a href="https://twitter.com/HayesBrown" target="_blank">@HayesBrown</a>.

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Credits read by Emma Deshpande.

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Dog Salon Divas with Hayes Brown

Normal Gossip delivers juicy, strange, funny, and utterly banal gossip about people you’ll never know and never meet. Host Kelsey McKinney discusses reader-submitted comedic gossip with guests, diving into the lives and decisions of complete strangers. The second-hand truth really is stranger than fiction. Produced by Alex Sujong Laughlin. Show art by Tara Jacoby. <a href="https://linktr.ee/normalgossip" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://linktr.ee/normalgossip</a>

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