In this episode, Darrin sits down with leadership coach and new author Jo Lein to explore what really drives change in people and organizations—and why most coaching efforts fall short when they focus only on skills.Jo introduces the concept of Disruptive Mindset Coaching, challenging leaders to move beyond surface-level fixes and address the beliefs that shape behavior.Topics Covered:The difference between skill gaps and belief barriersWhy people aren’t “uncoachable”—they’re often operating from protective patternsThe three common patterns that show up in resistant behavior:DetachingSurrenderingOvercompensatingHow identity, values, and skill all influence leadership behaviorWhy systems in education are built on underlying beliefs—and how those beliefs shape outcomesThe danger of compliance culture in schoolsWhat it means to “burn the script” as a leaderHow leaders can create environments where innovation and growth are possibleAbout Jo Lein:Jo Lein is a leadership coach, writer, and educator who helps leaders break through limiting beliefs and transform practice. She is the author of Burn the Script, where she introduces her framework for Disruptive Mindset Coaching.Connect with Jo:TikTok & Instagram: @educoachbyjoSubstack: jolein.substack.comSponsor Spotlight:This episode is sponsored by HeyTutor.HeyTutor partners with schools and districts nationwide to provide evidence-based high-dosage tutoring support in Math and ELA while helping schools remain intentional about staff capacity and student support systems.Learn more here: HeyTutor.com