In chapter 8, Lynn chats to Sarahjane McCreery from the Irish Penal Reform trust. Sarahjane gives us an insight and understanding of the efforts to improve human rights and standards for men and women in the prison system. This important conversation and reflection comes at a great time in the series because like Governor Eddie, Caron McCaffrey and the men you've heard from throughout the podcast, everyone is circling around the same issues, each coming at it from a different angle. We also hear from Jamie and Joe in this chapter who give us further insight into life in the prison system from first hand experience. You will hear more music performed by students of the Wheatfield education centre.