Abolitionism is an important tool that can help us repair and move towards healing and justice. The American lawyer, organizer, and author of Becoming Abolitionist, Derecka Purnell joins aja in conversation about what it means to be an abolitionist, how racial capitalism is killing Black people, and the importance of dismantling the systems that caused the violence in the first place. They also discuss cultivating a space of learning for children and how social justice spaces are deep messy experiments of the people we’re trying to be. 
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