Brandon Bucher is an engineer and the co-founder of LightningPay.nz. Brandon and I talk about the recent indictments against the Samourai founders whose wallet was operating a bitcoin mixing service. They are charged with conspiracy to commit money laundering and conspiracy to operate an unlicensed money transmission business which echo with the privacy battles in the 90s over encryption. We get into lightning network adoption, privacy, and the future outlook of your UTXO. Timestamps: 00:00 Samourai indictment 08:22 moving the goal posts 16:26 privacy as choice 21:37 privacy long game 26:11 cypherpunks and the battle   32:26 lightning network  38:04 public info on lightning 41:09 adoption in lighting 49:12 UTXO scarcity 54:25 LightningPay.nz 1:02:25 rapid fire 1:05:24 fin Some notes from the show: Samourai indictment  coin-join/whirlpool  Bitcoin fog  Tornado Cash founder sentenced to prison   Coin Centre post by Peter Van Valkenburgh  unannounced lightning channels  Lighting charts  River Reports  eCash  Lightning Pay  Contact Brandon: X LinkedIn Find Jeff: X LinkedIn  The BCNZ Pod: Website https://podcast.blockchain.org.nz/ YouTube  Apple Podcasts Google Podcasts Spotify  iHeartRadio  Media & Sponsorship Enquires: [email protected]  Recorded at blockheight 842607. The BCNZ podcast was founded in 2022 by Jeff Nijsse and Bryan Ventura.