The Seismic Shift with Dr. Michelle K. Johnston

Former NASA astronaut Charlie Camarda reveals the leadership mistake that can turn a warning sign into a catastrophe: smart people convincing themselves they already understand the problem. If you lead in a high-stakes environment, this conversation will change how you think about decision-making, dissent, and psychological safety. Michelle Johnston sits down with Charlie to unpack the seismic shifts that shaped his career, from NASA research centers to the Columbia disaster and beyond. What started as a deep technical career in hypersonic flight became a mission to understand why brilliant organizations make dangerous calls, and how to build teams that catch failure before it becomes irreversible. Charlie shares the hard-won lessons behind Mission Out of Control, including why NASA’s recovery windows were missed for years, how bad analysis can create false confidence, and why speaking up can be career-threatening even when you’re right. He also explains how his team helped create a repair capability for shuttle damage and how that same mindset could transform industries far beyond aerospace.This episode is especially valuable for leaders, engineers, founders, safety professionals, and anyone responsible for decisions where being wrong is not an option. CHAPTERS 00:11 Introduction to Charlie Camarda and seismic shifts 01:04 Columbia and NASA's Culture 01:16 The Columbia accident and its impact on Charlie 02:13 Analyzing decision-making failures at NASA 03:59 The importance of technical rigor and analysis 04:41 Recovery Windows and Psychological Safety 06:08 Confirmatory vs. exploratory decision modes 07:20 Psychological safety and organizational culture 08:36 Challenger's Real Root Cause 09:31 The Challenger disaster and decision-making culture 11:38 The Columbia foam strike and recovery window 12:32 EPIC and High-Performing Teams 13:50 The Epic education program for solving complex problems 14:54 Mission Out of Control 15:55 Mission Out of Control: organizational culture and safety 18:58 NASA's safety culture and Charlie’s courageous voice 19:48 Speaking Up at NASA 21:08 Silencing and listening in high-stakes organizations 22:08 NASA’s ongoing culture challenges and Charlie’s advocacy 22:41 Artemis and Heat Shield Risks 24:14 The Artemis missions and transparency issues 26:29 Lessons on decision-making and risk management in space 28:28 Leadership: Listen to Dissent 30:01 The Legacy of Safer Organizations 32:14 A Critical Decision in Space 33:33 The overview effect and critical in-space decisions 35:15 The importance of leadership and listening in space missions 36:09 Final thoughts: culture, safety, and seismic shifts 36:22 Navigating NASA's Challenges Special thanks to our friend Brian Wayy for the theme music this season! Track Title: My Heart's On Fire Follow Michelle for more inspiring content: Watch the podcast on YouTube: / @theseismicshiftwithmichelle LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/michelle-johnston-0264b5b Instagram: instagram.com/michellekjohnston Website: https://michellekjohnston.com/

Lucy Bustamante is a multi-Emmy and Edward R. Murrow Award-winning journalist, born and raised in New Orleans, now serving as a morning anchor at FOX 8. She joins Michelle Johnston for a heartfelt conversation about connection, culture, leadership, and what it means to stay real in a rapidly changing world. From covering Hurricane Katrina as a young journalist to returning home to New Orleans after years away, Lucy reflects on the power of authenticity, the pull of family, and the beauty of a city that begins every relationship with humanity. She also shares what seismic shifts she is seeing in media and the workplace, including AI, streaming, social media, and trust. The conversation is honest, lively, and full of wisdom about relationships, resilience, and choosing what matters most. CHAPTERS: 00:00 Welcome and introducing Lucy Bustamante 00:31 Michelle shares how she knew Lucy had to be on the show 01:23 Lucy’s career, awards, and return to New Orleans 01:51 Covering Hurricane Katrina and staying on air 04:15 Why Lucy’s reporting felt like home 05:05 New Orleans and the power of authenticity 06:56 Michelle on why she fell in love with New Orleans 09:18 Lucy’s family story and New Orleans roots 12:35 What brought Lucy back home 15:56 Raising children in New Orleans 18:52 Why New Orleans is worth investing in 20:05 Michelle’s daughter chooses to come back to New Orleans 23:40 The seismic shifts Lucy sees in media and work 24:04 AI and how Gray Media is approaching it 25:08 Streaming and changing audience habits 25:37 Social media, trust, and misinformation 28:31 What leaders need to understand right now 29:13 Lucy’s unforgettable leadership advice 30:34 Choosing the right partner, therapist, and lawyer 31:04 Closing reflections and thanks Special thanks to our friend Brian Wayy for the theme music this season! Track Title: My Heart's On Fire Follow Michelle for more inspiring content: Watch the podcast on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@TheSeismicShiftwithMichelle LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/michelle-johnston-0264b5b Instagram: instagram.com/michellekjohnston Website: https://michellekjohnston.com/

Jim Lager is an executive leader at Penske Truck Leasing and he joins Michelle Johnston for a conversation that feels equal parts leadership masterclass and reunion. Jim brings a rare combination of humility, warmth, and practical leadership wisdom to this episode of The Seismic Shift. In a conversation rooted in longtime friendship, he and Michelle Johnston explore how connection, curiosity, and authenticity can shape not only a career, but an entire life. This episode is packed with grounded advice for anyone who wants to grow as a leader without losing themselves in the process. Jim’s message is simple, but powerful: be yourself, stay curious, listen well, and never underestimate the value of treating people with genuine respect. CHAPTERS: 00:00 Welcome and introducing Jim Lager 00:40 Auburn memories and the Jazz Fest trip 02:15 How connection shaped lifelong friendship 03:18 Jim’s natural gift for people and relationships 04:08 The influence of his mother and early hardship 06:10 Why he has always been fascinated by people’s stories 08:18 Listening as a leadership and sales advantage 11:12 Roger Penske and the idea that there are no big shots 12:00 Why command and control does not work anymore 13:12 What has changed about younger workers 15:20 Why today’s workers want balance and collaboration 16:40 Connection in virtual meetings and leading through Zoom 18:24 Using technology without losing human connection 20:22 Productivity without connection creates emptiness 21:47 Owning your calendar and protecting time to think 24:00 Why in-person training still matters 26:24 The seismic shifts Jim sees in business today 27:15 Using technology as a tool, not a replacement 28:01 The leadership mistake that changed everything 29:52 Why authenticity is the real key to trust 30:47 Closing reflections and thanks Special thanks to our friend Brian Wayy for the theme music this season! Track Title: My Heart's On Fire Follow Michelle for more inspiring content: Watch the podcast on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@TheSeismicShiftwithMichelle LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/michelle-johnston-0264b5b Instagram: instagram.com/michellekjohnston Website: https://michellekjohnston.com/

Caroline Webb is an executive coach, author, economist, and former McKinsey partner known for translating behavioral science into practical tools for leadership and performance. She joins Michelle Johnston for a smart, energizing conversation about what leadership requires in a world being reshaped by AI, constant change, and rising pressure. She breaks down the pillars of her new book, Leadership Intelligence, including wisdom, inspiration, and resilience, and offers practical ways leaders can improve decision-making, build trust, reduce stress, and motivate teams. The conversation is a compelling reminder that human intelligence, not just artificial intelligence, will determine how well leaders and teams perform. This episode offers practical wisdom for any leader who wants to raise their game, build more resilient teams, and stay deeply human in a rapidly changing world. CHAPTERS: 00:00 Welcome and introducing Caroline Webb 00:40 Caroline’s new book and major career highlights 01:35 The seismic shifts shaping leadership right now 02:44 Why leaders need to understand the human mind 03:28 The Leadership Intelligence system explained 05:33 Wisdom, inspiration, and resilience as key pillars 06:04 How leaders can help reduce stress 08:42 Connection, trust, and leading teams well 09:39 Caroline Webb’s journey from economics to leadership 12:12 Why she left McKinsey 13:06 The story behind How to Have a Good Day 14:47 Why 21 leadership situations made sense 15:59 A practical example of wisdom in decision-making 18:34 Shifting perspective from what to who 19:39 Inspiration through competence and connection 22:44 Building connection with intentional team rituals 25:29 Resilience and leading through challenge together 27:49 A real example of human-centered leadership 29:22 Why connection drives motivation and performance 30:40 Three practical leadership takeaways 32:35 Closing reflections and thanks Special thanks to our friend Brian Wayy for the theme music this season! Track Title: My Heart's On Fire Follow Michelle for more inspiring content: Watch the podcast on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@TheSeismicShiftwithMichelle LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/michelle-johnston-0264b5b Instagram: instagram.com/michellekjohnston Website: https://michellekjohnston.com/

Andrea Hogan shares the deeply personal story behind leaving a high-powered marketing career, returning home to care for her mother, and making the spontaneous decision to walk the Camino de Santiago. What unfolds is a conversation about grief, identity, ambition, and the courage to choose a different path when life demands it. Michelle and Andrea explore what happens when achievement no longer feels like enough, how joy can be rediscovered in simple moments, and why stepping away is sometimes the most powerful move a person can make. It is a moving reflection on reinvention, purpose, and the seismic shift that happens when you finally listen to yourself. This episode is a reminder that stepping back is not the same as falling behind. Sometimes the boldest move is to leave the noise, listen to your own voice, and trust that a different path may lead you closer to yourself. CHAPTERS: 00:00 Welcome and introducing Andrea Hogan 00:42 How Michelle and Andrea first met at Qualcomm 01:36 Andrea’s journey from tech executive to author 03:31 Caring for her mother and returning to Ireland 04:25 Finding her mother’s Camino journal 05:00 Why she decided to walk the Camino right away 07:01 What 33 days of walking began to change 08:13 The shift from achievement to identity 11:05 What changed personally on the trail 12:11 A powerful moment in Portomarin 15:47 Rediscovering joy as a factory setting 16:56 What action came from that transformation 18:54 Writing the book and starting a new chapter 20:14 Grief, permission, and stepping back from work 22:40 Building a consulting business with purpose 23:09 Comparing corporate life to life now 24:42 Energy, routines, and owning your calendar 27:28 Why her mother walked the Camino 30:15 Michelle’s reflection on Andrea’s seismic shift 31:26 Where to find The Closest Thing to Magic Special thanks to our friend Brian Wayy for the theme music this season! Track Title: My Heart's On Fire Follow Michelle for more inspiring content: Watch the podcast on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@TheSeismicShiftwithMichelle LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/michelle-johnston-0264b5b Instagram: instagram.com/michellekjohnston Website: https://michellekjohnston.com/