In this honest conversation, Natalie Grant & Bernie Herms open up about insecurity, ambition, and the hidden struggles behind worship ministry.From chasing success to surrendering identity, this episode challenges what we think calling really looks like.If you’ve ever wrestled with platform, purpose, or comparison, this one is for you.-----------------------------------------Try Amazing+ Free: Access the world’s first total ministry strategy from curriculum and technology, to training and resources, free for 30 days here: https://www.joinamazing.com/freetrial📧 Got feedback or podcast topic suggestions? Email Rita:[email protected] or [email protected] you would like to support the Worship Is My Weapon podcast you can donate to Wearing Justice at https://give.tithe.ly/?formId=0f0e22b... 🙏🏻🕊️🤍0:00 - Coming up1:11 - Today’s Guests, Natalie Grant & Bernie Herms: Marriage and Ministry8:44 - Bernie’s Music Journey14:06 - The Fruit of Relationships19:44 - Finding a Balance24:20 - Ad: Amazing Kids - joinamazing.com25:16 - Overcoming Insecurity and Ego31:28 - Transformation: Performance vs. Presence44:58 - Advice For The Next Generation54:16 - Relevance and Longevity1:10:27 - What Natalie and Bernie Burn For1:17:36 - Final ThoughtsIf you're enjoying the show, please rate and review!Follow Rita on ALL Social Media: https://linktr.ee/ritaspringerIf you would like to support the Worship Is My Weapon podcast you can donate to Wearing Justice at https://give.tithe.ly/?formId=0f0e22b... 🙏🏻🕊️🤍💌 Stay connected with Rita by signing up for her exclusive mailing list: http://worshipismyweaponshow.com   ✳️ Join my community and get access to heaps of exclusive content, recipes, bible studies and more at https://www.growtribes.com/rita