The Gaslight Effect Podcast

In this episode of The Gaslight Effect Podcast—part of our limited series Conversations at the Edge—Dr. Robin Stern sits down with Mo Edjlali, founder of The Mindful Leader and author of OpenMBSR: Mindfulness-Based Stress Reduction—Reimagining the Future of Mindfulness, for an honest conversation about what it takes to stay awake, ethical, and human in high-pressure environments. Mo shares his personal turning point: a rapid rise as a high-achieving entrepreneur, the leadership persona he adopted to succeed, and the painful crash that forced him to ask, "What is this all for?" From there, he traces how mindfulness, through intensive practice and deep inquiry, changed not only his stress level, but his perception of reality itself, and ultimately reshaped how he thinks about leadership. Together, Robin and Mo explore why meaningful growth often happens "at the edge," and why real progress sometimes requires the courage to challenge the culture of mindfulness from the inside, through debate, rigor, and a willingness to name uncomfortable truths. To check out this and other episodes, head over to robinstern.com. Don't forget to subscribe to The Gaslight Effect Podcast on your favorite podcast platform, and be sure to leave us a review to let us know what you think. Until next time, remember: healing is a journey, and you don't have to walk it alone. Dr. Robin Stern's Social Media Links: Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/drrobinstern/ Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/dr.robinstern/ Twitter (X) - https://twitter.com/RobinSStern LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/robin-stern-220b403a Dr. Robin Stern's Books: The Gaslight Effect The Gaslight Effect Recovery Guide Emotional Intelligence for School Leaders Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressed on The Gaslight Effect Podcast do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the podcast. Any content provided by our guests, bloggers, sponsors or authors are of their opinion and are not intended to malign any religion, group, club, organization, business individual, anyone or anything.

In this episode of The Gaslight Effect Podcast, Dr. Robin Stern continues the limited series Conversations at the Edge—a space for staying grounded, curious, and connected when conversations move into charged, uncertain, or deeply divided territory. Inspired by Robin's ongoing dialogue with her dear friend Lynn Redleaf, the series is rooted in dignity and respect, and in the belief that making space for another person's ideas doesn't require agreement - it requires a willingness to understand without erasing, attacking, or diminishing the other. Robin is joined by Pierce Harris, a young peace builder who is already doing the work many adults avoid. Pierce is a senior at Ransom Everglades School and a rising freshman at Harvard College, with a deep commitment to dialogue, history, and global affairs. From leading student initiatives that bring peers together across political and cultural divides, to engaging with peacebuilding efforts beyond campus - including Seeds of Peace and work connected to SDG 16 (peace, justice, and strong institutions) - Pierce brings a rare combination of intellectual rigor, moral clarity, and relational maturity. Together, Robin and Pierce explore what helps difficult conversations actually work: psychological safety, unspoken rules of dialogue, curiosity, and the willingness to hold multiple truths at once. Pierce shares how his family dinner table shaped his comfort with disagreement, what Seeds of Peace taught him about emotional intensity and human connection, and a defining moment when a hard disagreement didn't break a friendship, because the relationship mattered more than being right. Robin and Pierce also talk about moral distress and moral injury, what to do when the world feels out of alignment with your values, and how young people can protect their hearts without turning away from civic responsibility. Pierce closes with a call for dignity rooted in the simple truth that every human being deserves respect, and an invitation to both generations: for young people to step forward with courage, and for adults to take them seriously, listen deeply, and help create the conditions where their voices can be heard. To check out this and other episodes, head over to robinstern.com. Don't forget to subscribe to The Gaslight Effect Podcast on your favorite podcast platform, and be sure to leave us a review to let us know what you think. Until next time, remember: healing is a journey, and you don't have to walk it alone. Dr. Robin Stern's Social Media Links: Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/drrobinstern/ Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/dr.robinstern/ Twitter (X) - https://twitter.com/RobinSStern LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/robin-stern-220b403a Dr. Robin Stern's Books: The Gaslight Effect The Gaslight Effect Recovery Guide Emotional Intelligence for School Leaders Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressed on The Gaslight Effect Podcast do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the podcast. Any content provided by our guests, bloggers, sponsors or authors are of their opinion and are not intended to malign any religion, group, club, organization, business individual, anyone or anything.

In this episode of The Gaslight Effect Podcast, Dr. Robin Stern continues the limited series Conversations at the Edge—a space for staying grounded, curious, and connected when conversations move into charged, uncertain, or deeply divided territory. Inspired by Robin's ongoing dialogue with her dear friend Lynn Redleaf, the series is rooted in dignity, respect, and the belief that making space for another person's ideas doesn't require agreement. It requires a willingness to understand without erasing, attacking, or diminishing the other. Robin is joined by Anne Snyder, Editor-in-Chief of Comment Magazine, whose work centers on building spaces for meaningful conversation and genuine engagement across difference. Anne shares how a cross-cultural upbringing—shaped by life in Hong Kong, Australia, and a family story rooted in translation and deep listening—formed her lifelong fascination with how people come to believe what they believe, and what it takes to honor the dignity of every human being across lines of status, worldview, and identity. Together, Robin and Anne explore why so many conversations shut down today, especially in a digital culture that rewards speed, certainty, and contempt. They talk about the emotional experience of polarization—how isolation and threat responses can make us defensive, reactive, and quick to reduce people to labels—and what helps us stay cohesive enough to remain curious. Anne reflects on the practices that build resilience for "edge" conversations, including embodied community, ritual, place-based relationships, and the slow work of friendship that restores context and humanity. Anne also shares the editorial vision behind Comment—a publication committed to pluralism and good-faith engagement—and previews a new three-day festival at the National Cathedral designed to spotlight bridge builders across the social and political spectrum and offer a different, more human vocabulary for the common good. This episode is an invitation to return to the essentials: real relationship, real listening, and the courage to "live the questions" long enough for wisdom, and connection, to emerge. To check out this and other episodes, head over to robinstern.com. Don't forget to subscribe to The Gaslight Effect Podcast on your favorite podcast platform, and be sure to leave us a review to let us know what you think. Until next time, remember: healing is a journey, and you don't have to walk it alone. Dr. Robin Stern's Social Media Links: Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/drrobinstern/ Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/dr.robinstern/ Twitter (X) - https://twitter.com/RobinSStern LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/robin-stern-220b403a Dr. Robin Stern's Books: The Gaslight Effect The Gaslight Effect Recovery Guide Emotional Intelligence for School Leaders Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressed on The Gaslight Effect Podcast do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the podcast. Any content provided by our guests, bloggers, sponsors or authors are of their opinion and are not intended to malign any religion, group, club, organization, business individual, anyone or anything.

In this episode of The Gaslight Effect Podcast, Dr. Robin Stern continues the limited series Conversations at the Edge—a space for staying grounded, curious, and connected when conversations move into charged, uncertain, or deeply divided territory. Inspired by Robin's ongoing dialogue with her dear friend Lynn Redleaf, the series is rooted in dignity, respect, and a commitment to resisting manipulation while making room for complexity and humanity. Robin is joined by Dr. Oded Adomi Leshem, a senior researcher at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem and a leading voice in the emerging field of hope research. Oded's work asks a deceptively simple question: What is hope—and does it actually create tangible change, or is it just a comforting idea? Drawing from psychology and philosophy, and grounded in the realities of intractable conflict, he shares insights from his book Hope Amidst Conflict, which examines how hope operates when it is most challenged—and how it can be strengthened in ways that support ethical engagement, social change, and peacebuilding. Oded also shares the personal path that led him here: from documentary filmmaking and witnessing war up close, to a humanitarian initiative helping sick Palestinian children access medical care—where one conversation with a woman from Gaza sparked his lifelong curiosity about why hope sometimes burns brightest in the hardest circumstances. Together, Robin and Oded explore a powerful framework for understanding hope as a two-dimensional construct: the expectation that change is possible, and the wish—the desire and commitment that makes change worth pursuing. They discuss why societies can lose not only belief in peace, but the desire for it, how leaders and public rhetoric can erode "peace as a worthy goal," and why peace advocacy often fails when it becomes too technical and forgets to speak to the heart. They also name the real risks of hope—its burden, its vulnerability to disappointment, and its mental effort—while offering a grounded reminder that real hope doesn't deny reality; it faces it honestly and still chooses a future worth working toward. This is a bracing and deeply human conversation about what it takes to carry hope when the world feels heavy, divided, and uncertain. To check out this and other episodes, head over to robinstern.com. Don't forget to subscribe to The Gaslight Effect Podcast on your favorite podcast platform, and be sure to leave us a review to let us know what you think. Until next time, remember: healing is a journey, and you don't have to walk it alone. Dr. Robin Stern's Social Media Links: Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/drrobinstern/ Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/dr.robinstern/ Twitter (X) - https://twitter.com/RobinSStern LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/robin-stern-220b403a Dr. Robin Stern's Books: The Gaslight Effect The Gaslight Effect Recovery Guide Emotional Intelligence for School Leaders Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressed on The Gaslight Effect Podcast do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the podcast. Any content provided by our guests, bloggers, sponsors or authors are of their opinion and are not intended to malign any religion, group, club, organization, business individual, anyone or anything.

In this episode of The Gaslight Effect Podcast, Dr. Robin Stern continues the limited series Conversations at the Edge—a space for staying grounded, curious, and connected when conversations move into charged, uncertain, or deeply divided territory. Inspired by Robin's ongoing dialogue with her dear friend Lynn Redleaf, the series is rooted in a simple but urgent belief: we have to be able to talk about what matters, with dignity and respect, even when we don't agree. Robin is joined by writer, journalist, and longtime friend Courtney E. Martin, whose work explores family, community, moral courage, and the messy realities of living by our values. Courtney shares how growing up in polarized Colorado Springs shaped her appetite for difficult conversations, and how her mother's decades-long practice of gathering women and amplifying stories helped form her deep commitment to nuance, belonging, and community. Together, Robin and Courtney discuss what it means to confront privilege without collapsing into shame or defensiveness, including the personal journey behind Courtney's book Learning in Public: Lessons for a Racially Divided America from My Daughter's School. Courtney reflects on the emotional complexity of choosing a Black-majority public school, the relational fallout of making a different choice than her progressive peers, and the pressure of being labeled "performative"—along with how she turns those moments into opportunities for humility, discernment, and deeper alignment. The conversation widens into the everyday practices that sustain us: building long-term friendships, living in intentional community, multi-generational family life, and the power of repair—especially what children can teach us about coming back together after conflict. With warmth, humor, and honesty, this episode is a reminder that connection isn't a luxury—it's a practice, and it's how we keep our humanity intact at the edge. To check out this and other episodes, head over to robinstern.com. Don't forget to subscribe to The Gaslight Effect Podcast on your favorite podcast platform, and be sure to leave us a review to let us know what you think. Until next time, remember: healing is a journey, and you don't have to walk it alone. Dr. Robin Stern's Social Media Links: Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/drrobinstern/ Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/dr.robinstern/ Twitter (X) - https://twitter.com/RobinSStern LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/robin-stern-220b403a Dr. Robin Stern's Books: The Gaslight Effect The Gaslight Effect Recovery Guide Emotional Intelligence for School Leaders Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressed on The Gaslight Effect Podcast do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the podcast. Any content provided by our guests, bloggers, sponsors or authors are of their opinion and are not intended to malign any religion, group, club, organization, business individual, anyone or anything.