If our biggest problem in the climate space is communication, then maybe climate scientists doing stand-up are the messengers we need. In this episode of Funny Old World — the podcast that looks the climate crisis in the eye and tries to stay light-hearted — Juliet Kinsman has a gentle, soothing, serious chat with the refreshingly real Dr Matt Winning: climate-policy academic at UCL and stand-up comedian, and quite possibly the only person whose research has been cited by the IPCC and whose jokes have been heckled in a comedy club.WHAT IS SOLASTALGIA?We talk about Matt's show Solastalgia at Soho Theatre during London Climate Action Week — solastalgia being the grief caused by environmental loss, a concept Juliet has written about for Condé Nast Traveller. Matt is also a closing speaker at the Nature in the City event with LORE Group and The Long Run at Sea Containers London on Sunday 21 June.Dr Matt Winning has a PhD in climate change policy, has advised the UK Committee on Climate Change, and was formerly Head of Climate Research at Oxford Economics. He knows his stuff — and he wants us to think about how we might make people think about that, and laugh about it.We cover nominative determinism, why milk in your coffee doubles your carbon footprint, and why climate solutions need reframing:"What people want is a menu of climate solutions, but actually we need to give them a list of ingredients.""Be curious, be creative, make your action part of your community… Everybody can do something."PODCAST RECOMMENDATIONWILD with Sarah Wilson — New York Times bestselling author, activist and former journalist.FOLLOW ON INSTAGRAMJuliet Kinsman: instagram.com/julietkinsmanDr Matt Winning: instagram.com/mattywin85Funny Old World is supported by The Long Run — a global community of nature-based tourism businesses united by the 4Cs Framework: Conservation, Community, Culture and Commerce.