<description>&lt;div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW191386531 BCX0"&gt; &lt;p class="Paragraph SCXW191386531 BCX0"&gt;&lt;span class= "TextRun SCXW191386531 BCX0" lang="EN-GB" xml:lang="EN-GB" data-contrast="auto"&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW191386531 BCX0"&gt;When&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW191386531 BCX0"&gt;Mark Rothko &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW191386531 BCX0"&gt;visited Fra Angelico's frescoes at the &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW191386531 BCX0"&gt;c&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW191386531 BCX0"&gt;onvent of San Marco in Florence, he was&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW191386531 BCX0"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW191386531 BCX0"&gt;'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW191386531 BCX0"&gt;overwhelmed&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW191386531 BCX0"&gt;,' recounts his son, the psychologist and writer Christopher Rothko.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW191386531 BCX0"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW191386531 BCX0"&gt;'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW191386531 BCX0"&gt;That's&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW191386531 BCX0"&gt; what he wanted for his viewer&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="NormalTextRun SCXW191386531 BCX0"&gt;,' says Rothko,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW191386531 BCX0"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW191386531 BCX0"&gt;'t&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW191386531 BCX0"&gt;o look at his artwork as sources of inspiration, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW191386531 BCX0"&gt;spirituality and contemplation.'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="EOP SCXW191386531 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"134233117":false,"134233118":false,"335559738":240,"335559739":240}"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW191386531 BCX0"&gt; &lt;p class="Paragraph SCXW191386531 BCX0"&gt;&lt;span class= "TextRun SCXW191386531 BCX0" lang="EN-GB" xml:lang="EN-GB" data-contrast="auto"&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW191386531 BCX0"&gt;In the &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW191386531 BCX0"&gt;second&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW191386531 BCX0"&gt;episode of the Frieze Masters Podcast 2025,&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW191386531 BCX0"&gt;Christopher Rothko&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW191386531 BCX0"&gt; is in conversation with&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW191386531 BCX0"&gt; curator and art historian &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class= "TextRun SCXW191386531 BCX0" lang="EN-GB" xml:lang="EN-GB" data-contrast="none"&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW191386531 BCX0"&gt;Carl &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SpellingErrorV2Themed SCXW191386531 BCX0"&gt;Strehlke&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="TextRun SCXW191386531 BCX0" lang="EN-GB" xml:lang="EN-GB" data-contrast="auto"&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW191386531 BCX0"&gt; and Arturo &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SpellingErrorV2Themed SCXW191386531 BCX0"&gt;Galansino&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="NormalTextRun SCXW191386531 BCX0"&gt;, director general of Palazzo Strozzi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW191386531 BCX0"&gt;,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW191386531 BCX0"&gt; to discuss &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW191386531 BCX0"&gt;the affinity between Rothko's abstract expressionism and &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW191386531 BCX0"&gt;the Italian renaissance&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="NormalTextRun SCXW191386531 BCX0"&gt;, ahead of a landmark show of Rothko&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW191386531 BCX0"&gt;'s work&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW191386531 BCX0"&gt; in Florence in 2026.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="EOP SCXW191386531 BCX0" data-ccp-props="{"335559739":0}"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p class="Paragraph SCXW191386531 BCX0"&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;span class= "EOP SCXW191386531 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"335559739":0}"&gt;&lt;span class= "TextRun SCXW152766602 BCX0" lang="EN-GB" xml:lang="EN-GB" data-contrast="none"&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW152766602 BCX0"&gt;The Frieze Masters Talks programme and the Frieze Masters Podcast are brought to you by Frieze in collaboration with&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SpellingErrorV2Themed SCXW152766602 BCX0"&gt;dunhill&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW191386531 BCX0"&gt; &lt;p class="Paragraph SCXW191386531 BCX0"&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;span class= "TextRun SCXW191386531 BCX0" lang="EN-GB" xml:lang="EN-GB" data-contrast="auto"&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW191386531 BCX0"&gt;'Rothko in Florence' is on view at Fondazione Palazzo Strozzi, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW191386531 BCX0"&gt;Florence, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="NormalTextRun SCXW191386531 BCX0"&gt;14 March – 26 July 2026&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p class="Paragraph SCXW191386531 BCX0"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW13282597 BCX0"&gt;About the speakers&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p class="Paragraph SCXW191386531 BCX0"&gt;&lt;span class= "TextRun SCXW13282597 BCX0" lang="EN-GB" xml:lang="EN-GB" data-contrast="auto"&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW13282597 BCX0"&gt;Christopher Rothko&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="NormalTextRun SCXW13282597 BCX0"&gt; is a&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW13282597 BCX0"&gt; writer&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW13282597 BCX0"&gt;, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW13282597 BCX0"&gt;psychologist&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW13282597 BCX0"&gt; and &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="NormalTextRun SCXW13282597 BCX0"&gt;son of &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW13282597 BCX0"&gt;artist &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW13282597 BCX0"&gt;Mark Rothko&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW13282597 BCX0"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW13282597 BCX0"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW13282597 BCX0"&gt;He&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW13282597 BCX0"&gt; has written extensively on his father's legacy&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW13282597 BCX0"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW13282597 BCX0"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class= "TextRun SCXW13282597 BCX0" lang="EN-GB" xml:lang="EN-GB" data-contrast="none"&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW13282597 BCX0"&gt;Carl &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SpellingErrorV2Themed SCXW13282597 BCX0"&gt;Strehlke&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="NormalTextRun SCXW13282597 BCX0"&gt; is an art historian and &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class= "TextRun Highlight SCXW13282597 BCX0" lang="EN-GB" xml:lang="EN-GB" data-contrast="none"&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW13282597 BCX0"&gt;curator of the Philadelphia Museum of Art&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW13282597 BCX0"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW13282597 BCX0"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class= "TextRun SCXW13282597 BCX0" lang="EN-GB" xml:lang="EN-GB" data-contrast="auto"&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW13282597 BCX0"&gt;They are joined by their host Arturo &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SpellingErrorV2Themed SCXW13282597 BCX0"&gt;Galansino&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="NormalTextRun SCXW13282597 BCX0"&gt;,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="NormalTextRun SCXW13282597 BCX0"&gt; art historian, curator, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW13282597 BCX0"&gt;d&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW13282597 BCX0"&gt;irector &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW13282597 BCX0"&gt;g&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW13282597 BCX0"&gt;eneral of the Fondazione Palazzo Strozzi in Florence&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW13282597 BCX0"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW13282597 BCX0"&gt;and this year's curator of the Frieze Masters Talks programme.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class= "EOP SCXW13282597 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"335559739":0}"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW152766602 BCX0"&gt; &lt;p class="Paragraph SCXW152766602 BCX0"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW152766602 BCX0"&gt;About the Frieze Masters Podcast&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="EOP SCXW152766602 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"134233117":false,"134233118":false,"335559738":0,"335559739":0}"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;div class="OutlineElement Ltr SCXW152766602 BCX0"&gt; &lt;p class="Paragraph SCXW152766602 BCX0"&gt;&lt;span class= "TextRun SCXW152766602 BCX0" lang="EN-GB" xml:lang="EN-GB" data-contrast="none"&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW152766602 BCX0"&gt;The Frieze Masters Podcast is back for 2025, bringing you seven conversations across art history curated by Arturo &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SpellingErrorV2Themed SCXW152766602 BCX0"&gt;Galansino&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="NormalTextRun SCXW152766602 BCX0"&gt; (Director General of Fondazione Palazzo Strozzi in Florence). &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p class="Paragraph SCXW152766602 BCX0"&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW152766602 BCX0"&gt;Entitled 'Woven Histories' and recorded live at Frieze Masters 2025, this year's series features artists, curators and thinkers, whose conversations weave together geographies and chronologies, and challenge us to look at history in new and unexpected ways.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p class="Paragraph SCXW152766602 BCX0"&gt;&lt;span class= "TextRun SCXW152766602 BCX0" lang="EN-GB" xml:lang="EN-GB" data-contrast="none"&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW152766602 BCX0"&gt;Topics range from the evolving relationship between fashion and art to the role of the archive in Black history, the last Mughals and their cultural influence in India and the enduring inspiration of the old masters and renaissance art on contemporary making. Speakers include artists Tracey Emin, Glenn Brown and Antony Gormley, museum directors and curators Nicholas Cullinan, Émilie Hammen, Elizabeth Way and Carl&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SpellingErrorV2Themed SCXW152766602 BCX0"&gt;Strehlke&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="NormalTextRun SCXW152766602 BCX0"&gt;, and writers Edward George, Matthew Harle, Christopher &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW152766602 BCX0"&gt;Rothko&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW152766602 BCX0"&gt; and William Dalrymple.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="EOP SCXW152766602 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"134233117":false,"134233118":false,"201341983":0,"335551550":1,"335551620":1,"335559685":0,"335559737":0,"335559738":0,"335559739":0,"335559740":279}"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p class="Paragraph SCXW152766602 BCX0"&gt;&lt;span class= "TextRun SCXW152766602 BCX0" lang="EN-GB" xml:lang="EN-GB" data-contrast="none"&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW152766602 BCX0"&gt;The Frieze Masters Talks programme and the Frieze Masters Podcast are brought to you by Frieze in collaboration with&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SpellingErrorV2Themed SCXW152766602 BCX0"&gt;dunhill&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="NormalTextRun SCXW152766602 BCX0"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p class="Paragraph SCXW152766602 BCX0"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW152766602 BCX0"&gt;Further Information&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p class="Paragraph SCXW152766602 BCX0"&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW152766602 BCX0"&gt;To keep up to date on all the latest news from Frieze, sign up to our newsletter at&lt;/span&gt; &lt;a class="Hyperlink SCXW152766602 BCX0" href= "https://www.frieze.com/" target="_blank" rel= "noreferrer noopener"&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW152766602 BCX0" data-ccp-charstyle= "Hyperlink"&gt;frieze.com&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW152766602 BCX0"&gt;, and follow @friezeofficial on &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a class="Hyperlink SCXW152766602 BCX0" href= "https://www.instagram.com/friezeofficial/?hl=en" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW152766602 BCX0" data-ccp-charstyle= "Hyperlink"&gt;Instagram&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW152766602 BCX0"&gt;, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a class= "Hyperlink SCXW152766602 BCX0" href= "https://twitter.com/friezeofficial?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW152766602 BCX0" data-ccp-charstyle= "Hyperlink"&gt;Twitter&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW152766602 BCX0"&gt; and Frieze Official on &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a class="Hyperlink SCXW152766602 BCX0" href= "https://www.facebook.com/friezeofficial/" target="_blank" rel= "noreferrer noopener"&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW152766602 BCX0" data-ccp-charstyle= "Hyperlink"&gt;Facebook&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class= "NormalTextRun SCXW152766602 BCX0"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class= "EOP SCXW152766602 BCX0" data-ccp-props= "{"134233117":false,"134233118":false,"335559738":0,"335559739":0}"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;</description>

Frieze Masters Podcast

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Episode 2 | An Encounter in Spiritual Spaces: Mark Rothko and Fra Angelico | Christopher Rothko & Carl Strehlke

DEC 4, 202534 MIN
Frieze Masters Podcast

Episode 2 | An Encounter in Spiritual Spaces: Mark Rothko and Fra Angelico | Christopher Rothko & Carl Strehlke

DEC 4, 202534 MIN

Description

When Mark Rothko visited Fra Angelico's frescoes at the convent of San Marco in Florence, he was 'overwhelmed,' recounts his son, the psychologist and writer Christopher Rothko. 'That's what he wanted for his viewer,' says Rothko, 'to look at his artwork as sources of inspiration, spirituality and contemplation.'

In the second episode of the Frieze Masters Podcast 2025, Christopher Rothko is in conversation with curator and art historian Carl Strehlke and Arturo Galansino, director general of Palazzo Strozzi, to discuss the affinity between Rothko's abstract expressionism and the Italian renaissance, ahead of a landmark show of Rothko's work in Florence in 2026.

The Frieze Masters Talks programme and the Frieze Masters Podcast are brought to you by Frieze in collaboration with dunhill

'Rothko in Florence' is on view at Fondazione Palazzo Strozzi, Florence, 14 March – 26 July 2026

About the speakers

Christopher Rothko is a writer, psychologist and son of artist Mark Rothko. He has written extensively on his father's legacy. Carl Strehlke is an art historian and curator of the Philadelphia Museum of Art. They are joined by their host Arturo Galansino, art historian, curator, director general of the Fondazione Palazzo Strozzi in Florence and this year's curator of the Frieze Masters Talks programme.

About the Frieze Masters Podcast

The Frieze Masters Podcast is back for 2025, bringing you seven conversations across art history curated by Arturo Galansino (Director General of Fondazione Palazzo Strozzi in Florence).

Entitled 'Woven Histories' and recorded live at Frieze Masters 2025, this year's series features artists, curators and thinkers, whose conversations weave together geographies and chronologies, and challenge us to look at history in new and unexpected ways.

Topics range from the evolving relationship between fashion and art to the role of the archive in Black history, the last Mughals and their cultural influence in India and the enduring inspiration of the old masters and renaissance art on contemporary making. Speakers include artists Tracey Emin, Glenn Brown and Antony Gormley, museum directors and curators Nicholas Cullinan, Émilie Hammen, Elizabeth Way and Carl Strehlke, and writers Edward George, Matthew Harle, Christopher Rothko and William Dalrymple.

The Frieze Masters Talks programme and the Frieze Masters Podcast are brought to you by Frieze in collaboration with dunhill.

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