<p class="text-node">For decades, the global financial infrastructure was designed as a one-way street: excellent at collecting money from consumers, but slow and inefficient at giving it back. Rodney Robinson, a 40-year veteran of the payments industry, recognized that for the digital economy to work, money needed a reverse gear. In this episode, Rodney discusses why legacy institutions didn’t share his vision, how TabaPay is now the invisible plumbing for the apps we all use, and why democratizing instant money movement is the key to preventing debt cycles for millions of Americans.</p><p class="text-node"><br>00:00 Welcome to Money Travels: The Push and Pull Problem<br>01:15 Lightning Round: 40 Years of Payments Wisdom<br>04:40 The Asymmetry of Money Movement: Pull vs Push<br>07:11 Solving the Impossible: Building Two-Way Instant Payments<br>08:22 The Invisible Infrastructure Powering Your Favorite Apps<br>11:12 The New Normal: Speed as a Consumer Expectation<br>11:49 From Corporate Rejection to Entrepreneurial Success<br>15:28 Flip Phones and Failed Experiments: Learning from Mobile Payment History<br>17:10 Breaking the Debt Trap: The Real Impact of Instant Payments<br>20:42 The FinTech-Bank Clash and the Future of Payments</p><p class="text-node"></p><p class="text-node">Learn more about Visa Direct:<br>visa.com/visadirect<br><br>Connect with Visa Direct on LinkedIn:<br>https://www.linkedin.com/showcase/visa-direct/<br><br>Disclaimers:<br>Visa Direct capability is enabled through a financial institution partner. Visa Direct product availability and functionality varies by market. The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the speakers and do not necessarily reflect the views or positions of any entities they represent. Visa neither makes any warranty or representation as to the completeness or accuracy of the information within this podcast, nor assumes any liability or responsibility that may result from reliance on such information and any information from third parties. The information contained in this podcast is not intended as investment or legal advice, and listeners are encouraged to seek the advice of a competent professional where such advice is required. All brand names, logos and/or trademarks are the property of their respective owners, and do not necessarily imply product endorsement or affiliation with Visa.</p>