<description>&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US"&gt;Finding a lawyer should not feel harder than solving the legal problem itself. And yet, here we are.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US"&gt;In this episode, Meghan and I talk about something that comes up constantly in my nonprofit law practice: how nonprofit leaders and boards actually find a good lawyer and how to tell whether someone is the right fit.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style= "mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;" xml:lang="EN-US"&gt;Real Listener Question:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;strong style= "mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style= "font-size: 14.0pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; line-height: 115%;" xml:lang="EN-US"&gt;"I am a board member tasked with finding my small nonprofit a lawyer. I am trying to collect five options for the board to review and have the board interview each lawyer. I've prepared an RFP to get information from as many firms as possible. Is there anything else I'm supposed to do to make sure we did a fair search?"&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US"&gt;We dig into why hiring a lawyer is not the same as hiring other vendors and why an RFP is often the wrong tool for the job. We talk about common misconceptions nonprofits have about fairness, pricing, and process, and why trying to copy large institutions can backfire for smaller organizations. This conversation also pulls back the curtain on how lawyers actually work, what red flags to watch for, and how to avoid overcomplicating a decision that already feels overwhelming.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" xml:lang= "EN-US"&gt;What You'll Learn:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;ul&gt; &lt;li class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US"&gt;How nonprofits typically find lawyers&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt; &lt;li class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US"&gt;Why RFPs usually do not work for legal services&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt; &lt;li class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US"&gt;What legal expertise actually looks like&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt; &lt;li class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US"&gt;How pricing structures should be discussed&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt; &lt;li class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US"&gt;Warning signs early in the relationship&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt; &lt;li class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US"&gt;Why "cheapest" is not always best&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt; &lt;li class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US"&gt;How to trust your gut while doing due diligence&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt; &lt;/ul&gt; &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" xml:lang= "EN-US"&gt;Bottom line:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;span lang="EN-US" xml:lang= "EN-US"&gt;Hiring a lawyer does not require a perfect process. It requires clarity, trust, and a focus on finding someone who understands your nonprofit and can actually help you.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" xml:lang= "EN-US"&gt;Resources from this Episode&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;ul&gt; &lt;li class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US"&gt;Previous Episode: How Classy May Be Hurting Your Donor Relationships: &lt;a href= "https://birkenlaw.com/charity-therapy-podcast/ct157-classy-donor-acknowledgement/"&gt; https://birkenlaw.com/charity-therapy-podcast/ct157-classy-donor-acknowledgement/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt; &lt;li class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style= "font-size: 12.0pt; line-height: 115%; font-family: 'Aptos',sans-serif; mso-ascii-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family: Aptos; mso-fareast-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-hansi-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-bidi; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;" xml:lang="EN-US"&gt;Episode Transcript: &lt;a href= "https://birkenlaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/CT158_Transcript.pdf"&gt; https://birkenlaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/CT158_Transcript.pdf&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt; &lt;/ul&gt; &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" xml:lang= "EN-US"&gt;Connect with Us&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;ul&gt; &lt;li class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US"&gt;Jess Birken: &lt;a href= "https://www.linkedin.com/in/jessbirken/"&gt;https://www.linkedin.com/in/jessbirken/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt; &lt;li class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US"&gt;Meghan Heitkamp: &lt;a href= "https://www.linkedin.com/in/meghan-heitkamp-829254115/"&gt;https://www.linkedin.com/in/meghan-heitkamp-829254115/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt; &lt;/ul&gt; &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" xml:lang= "EN-US"&gt;Listen &amp; Engage&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;ul&gt; &lt;li class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US"&gt;Listen on &lt;a href= "https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/charity-therapy/id1484605289"&gt; Apple Podcasts&lt;/a&gt; | &lt;a href= "https://open.spotify.com/show/5MyIv4pQjloUkMrz5wE2XZ?si=4db9ea586e454a72"&gt; Spotify&lt;/a&gt; | &lt;a href= "https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJhdDWJL-yvykB1SeDkiP2PPx7HngWY8X&amp;si=FxT4h72gFFZlH4I9"&gt; YouTube&lt;/a&gt; | &lt;a href= "https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/2ba888c9-1439-45f9-834f-f6b332d4a10a/charity-therapy"&gt; Amazon Music&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt; &lt;li class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US"&gt;Rate &amp; Review on &lt;a href= "https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/charity-therapy/id1484605289"&gt; Apple Podcasts&lt;/a&gt;: Click "Ratings and Reviews" then "Write a Review"&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt; &lt;li class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style= "font-size: 12.0pt; line-height: 115%; font-family: 'Aptos',sans-serif; mso-ascii-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family: Aptos; mso-fareast-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-hansi-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-bidi; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;" xml:lang="EN-US"&gt;Send us your nonprofit questions: &lt;a href= "https://birkenlaw.com/podcast/#podcast-story"&gt;https://birkenlaw.com/podcast/#podcast-story&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt; &lt;/ul&gt; &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" xml:lang= "EN-US"&gt;Stay Connected&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;ul&gt; &lt;li class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" xml:lang= "EN-US"&gt;Sign up for the Birken Law Email list:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;span lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;a href= "https://birkenlaw.com/signup/"&gt;https://birkenlaw.com/signup/&lt;/a&gt; &lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt; &lt;li class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" xml:lang="EN-US"&gt;Follow us on &lt;a href="https://www.facebook.com/birkenlaw/"&gt;Facebook&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://www.instagram.com/jessbirken"&gt;Instagram&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://x.com/JessBirken"&gt;Twitter&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt; &lt;/ul&gt;</description>

Charity Therapy

Jess Birken, MNM, JD

158: Is Your Ringer On? | How Nonprofits Can Find and Hire a Good Lawyer

FEB 19, 202623 MIN
Charity Therapy

158: Is Your Ringer On? | How Nonprofits Can Find and Hire a Good Lawyer

FEB 19, 202623 MIN

Description

Finding a lawyer should not feel harder than solving the legal problem itself. And yet, here we are. In this episode, Meghan and I talk about something that comes up constantly in my nonprofit law practice: how nonprofit leaders and boards actually find a good lawyer and how to tell whether someone is the right fit. Real Listener Question: "I am a board member tasked with finding my small nonprofit a lawyer. I am trying to collect five options for the board to review and have the board interview each lawyer. I've prepared an RFP to get information from as many firms as possible. Is there anything else I'm supposed to do to make sure we did a fair search?" We dig into why hiring a lawyer is not the same as hiring other vendors and why an RFP is often the wrong tool for the job. We talk about common misconceptions nonprofits have about fairness, pricing, and process, and why trying to copy large institutions can backfire for smaller organizations. This conversation also pulls back the curtain on how lawyers actually work, what red flags to watch for, and how to avoid overcomplicating a decision that already feels overwhelming. What You'll Learn: How nonprofits typically find lawyers Why RFPs usually do not work for legal services What legal expertise actually looks like How pricing structures should be discussed Warning signs early in the relationship Why "cheapest" is not always best How to trust your gut while doing due diligence Bottom line: Hiring a lawyer does not require a perfect process. It requires clarity, trust, and a focus on finding someone who understands your nonprofit and can actually help you. Resources from this Episode Previous Episode: How Classy May Be Hurting Your Donor Relationships: https://birkenlaw.com/charity-therapy-podcast/ct157-classy-donor-acknowledgement/ Episode Transcript: https://birkenlaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/CT158_Transcript.pdf Connect with Us Jess Birken: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jessbirken/ Meghan Heitkamp: https://www.linkedin.com/in/meghan-heitkamp-829254115/ Listen & Engage Listen on Apple Podcasts | Spotify | YouTube | Amazon Music Rate & Review on Apple Podcasts: Click "Ratings and Reviews" then "Write a Review" Send us your nonprofit questions: https://birkenlaw.com/podcast/#podcast-story Stay Connected Sign up for the Birken Law Email list: https://birkenlaw.com/signup/ Follow us on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter